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Image is of the Herðubreið tuya in northeast Iceland, formed when ice sheets covered Iceland thousands of years ago. It's not really relevant to the Grindavik situation but I think they look neat. The title also doesn't make much sense but I saw the pun and took it.


Off in Iceland, different kinds of tunnels are causing problems. Underneath the town of Grindavik in southwestern Iceland, not far from the capital of Reykjavik, tens of thousands of earthquakes are portending the movement of magma in tunnels underneath the peninsula, which could breach the surface and cause an eruption. The 4000 residents of the town have been evacuated as the magma has risen to less than a kilometer below the surface.^TRG^

Icelandic volcanism is pretty fascinating, with the country sitting on the mid-Atlantic ridge, the birthing line of new oceanic crustal rock running right down the Atlantic ocean for many thousands of kilometers, as well as a hotspot, an upwelling of mantle material of debated origin which also feeds otherwise-inexplicable volcanism in the middle of tectonic plates, like Yellowstone and Hawaii.

An additional factor here is the presence of glaciers. When a volcano erupts underneath a glacier, the melting water cools the lava rapidly, causing features usually seen in volcanoes that erupt under the sea like pillow basalts, but also unique features like tuyas, which are steep-sided but flat-topped volcanoes. The rapid melting of water can also cause glacial floods called jökulhlaups.

Icelandic volcanoes have had significant regional and even global impacts in the past. In 2010, the volcano Eyjafjallajökull, which was a volcano covered by an ice cap, erupted and the ash cloud spread across Europe, causing airline disruption for about a month which caused nearly $2 billion in total losses for airline companies - though this seems pretty quaint compared to the pandemic's impact on airlines in retrospect. Back in the 1780s, the Laki volcano killed a quarter of the Icelandic population due to sulphur dioxide causing massive crop failure and cattle death. This eruption's impacts spread to Europe and beyond, causing notable worldwide temperature drops and thus crop failures and may well have been a contributing factor to the outbreak of the French Revolution, which obviously heralded the death of the feudal order and the eventual primacy of capitalism in its place. That being said, any eruption at Grindavik is very probably not going to have any significant worldwide impacts - there are over a hundred volcanoes already in Iceland, and regular climate change is doing a great job at causing mayhem right now anyway. It's also still possible that there won't be an eruption at all, at least not in the short to medium term.


Friendly reminder: when commenting about a news event, especially something that just happened, please provide a source of some kind. While ideally this would be on nitter or archived, any source is preferable to none at all given.

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Iceland! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.

This week's update is here!

Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm split on political activism with civilian casualties. On one hand, civilians don't deserve to die, right? On the other hand, history shows that successful political movements almost invariantly have civilian casualties: the Russian revolution, the Chinese revolutions, the American revolution, the French revolution...

Are civilians responsible for the actions of their government and country?

Should it be condemned, or should the dead be given their rights but with the understanding of the right to revolution?

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

I think the important thing to keep in mind is that it's an action of last resort anyway. Nobody uses violence before exhausting peaceful avenues. People do not turn to revolution until they are utterly convinced other options are non existent, and among the average person it takes an awful lot to bring someone to that point.

We communists would very happily take a peaceful transition of power out of the hands of the bourgeoisie and into the hands of the working class. We're just not stupid or naive enough to believe that they will ever allow that to happen, at the point of us actually coming close to achieving that they would unleash unspeakable violence on everyone. We are simply aware of that and intend to be prepared for it. The act of revolution by the masses, the whole masses, is an action of self defence, at least from the perspective of the population.

Coups on the other hand are a quite different beast.

[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

Then, I guess, the natural question is: does the status quo government have the right to suppress revolution (within means?)

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No government has any "right" to do anything, they are purely constructs of the ruling class of that country (whether bourgeoisie in the West or proletariat in China/Cuba/DPRK/etc). They will take actions that are in line with their material and class interests. This is (usually) good when proletarian governments act, and (usually) bad when bourgeois governments act.

[-] spectre@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

Yeah centering "rights" in the conversation is idealism

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

"rights", shmights. who actually enforces those rights and what are their material interests?

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah. Rights aren't real. Guns are real.

[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

if the state has the right to protect it's own authority, so do people have the right to overthrow that authority. The 1789 Declaration of the Rights, of Man, pretty much the original foundation of liberalism calls "Resistance To Oppression" a "natural right" of humanity, and I would agree.

Now to enforce those rights, that's a whole other discussion...

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Right to overthrow an unjust government is recognized across big swathes of the ancient world as well.

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There's a few different political ways of approaching the issue of mass death of innocents during revolutions but if you need to justify it in a moral sense, I think Mark Twain's quote here is very good:

“There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”

When events like what is happening in Gaza are going on, we aren't talking about going from a peaceful, prosperous society and upending it in a tsunami of violence for the sake of constructing something, hopefully, even better. We are talking about a situation that might have been relatively peaceful but in which many, many people are suffering and dying under oppressive structures on a day-to-day basis. The "passive" level of suffering and misery in these places, over the span of years and decades, is so much higher than whatever pain a successful revolution could create.

In that sense, revolutions like in Palestine aren't starting violence - they are ending it. And as such should generally be praised instead of condemned.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

this section from Letter from Birmingham Jail is always worth contemplating. Like I think about it all the time when people pull out the "Do you condemn Hamas" shit.

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago

Killing civilians to make a point is stupid, all it does is make you look like a threat to the people who's support you need. (unless you are some sort of racial/religious supremist where killing demonstrates commitment to those ideals)

During a socialist coup civilians shouldn't ever be targeted. Its counter productive as the new government wants to have popular support. Once the government and military are under control of the socialists, then some civilians may cross the line into counter revolutionary criminals and some of them deserve to die if they fail reeducation.

israeli settlers were not civilians they were living on occupied land in illegal settlements in breach of international law. They decided to move into a war zone, often even evicting Palestinians from their homes and moving in.

9/11 victims were civilians but OBL was retaliating for USA's mass murder of civilians. That doesn't make it right but it means USA bears much of the responsibility.

Oil executives aren't civilians in the context of ecologic politics. Politicians are obviously not civilians. Billionaires not civilians. Management for international resource extraction (like a Canadian working for Rio Tinto in Africa or South America) are not civilians as they are actively participating in neo-colonialism.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

I haven't bothered to read bin Laden's post-9/11 statements but I always figured the Twin Towers themselves were the targets as literally gigantic symbols of American power. Severely damaging the tallest buildings in America that stuck directly out of America's finance capital heart was a big symbolic thing. People focus on them because the result was so dramatic, probably much more dramatic than anyone in al-Qaeda expected. That one plane had successfully flattened the white house the twin towers people's focus and memories would likely be different. People forget or never understood that it was a decapitation strike against the US government in addition to any other goals. The headquarters of the US military and the office and residence of the president were both directly and specifically targeted.

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You also have ira, 17n, raf, basque whatever its called army. Relatively minimal civilian casualties, absolutely molding states and kinda tacit support from the population.

Civil wars are results not of bloodthirstiness, but of previous regimes not wanting to give up power. You dont just decide "we want a civil war" or "if we don't get a civil war we failed", you just get it due to unevenness of happenings either geographically or military hardware-wise

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

There's a whole lot of writing and theory about just war and avoiding civilian casualties and right to revolution, but no one has ever followed any of that shit. In the end it just comes down to how bad you want to win, what your goals are, and what you're willing to sacrifice.

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