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Image is of the Herðubreið tuya in northeast Iceland, formed when ice sheets covered Iceland thousands of years ago. It's not really relevant to the Grindavik situation but I think they look neat. The title also doesn't make much sense but I saw the pun and took it.


Off in Iceland, different kinds of tunnels are causing problems. Underneath the town of Grindavik in southwestern Iceland, not far from the capital of Reykjavik, tens of thousands of earthquakes are portending the movement of magma in tunnels underneath the peninsula, which could breach the surface and cause an eruption. The 4000 residents of the town have been evacuated as the magma has risen to less than a kilometer below the surface.^TRG^

Icelandic volcanism is pretty fascinating, with the country sitting on the mid-Atlantic ridge, the birthing line of new oceanic crustal rock running right down the Atlantic ocean for many thousands of kilometers, as well as a hotspot, an upwelling of mantle material of debated origin which also feeds otherwise-inexplicable volcanism in the middle of tectonic plates, like Yellowstone and Hawaii.

An additional factor here is the presence of glaciers. When a volcano erupts underneath a glacier, the melting water cools the lava rapidly, causing features usually seen in volcanoes that erupt under the sea like pillow basalts, but also unique features like tuyas, which are steep-sided but flat-topped volcanoes. The rapid melting of water can also cause glacial floods called jökulhlaups.

Icelandic volcanoes have had significant regional and even global impacts in the past. In 2010, the volcano Eyjafjallajökull, which was a volcano covered by an ice cap, erupted and the ash cloud spread across Europe, causing airline disruption for about a month which caused nearly $2 billion in total losses for airline companies - though this seems pretty quaint compared to the pandemic's impact on airlines in retrospect. Back in the 1780s, the Laki volcano killed a quarter of the Icelandic population due to sulphur dioxide causing massive crop failure and cattle death. This eruption's impacts spread to Europe and beyond, causing notable worldwide temperature drops and thus crop failures and may well have been a contributing factor to the outbreak of the French Revolution, which obviously heralded the death of the feudal order and the eventual primacy of capitalism in its place. That being said, any eruption at Grindavik is very probably not going to have any significant worldwide impacts - there are over a hundred volcanoes already in Iceland, and regular climate change is doing a great job at causing mayhem right now anyway. It's also still possible that there won't be an eruption at all, at least not in the short to medium term.


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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

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English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Iceland! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.

This week's update is here!

Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The latest Sy Hersh article is basically him refusing to admit that his sources don't know what the fuck they are talking about and that they are making him look like an idiot. To be fair, calling your sources morons is how you lose your sources.

AFTER AL-SHIFAIn 1991 I published a book, The Samson Option, about Israel’s then little-known and still officially unacknowledged nuclear arsenal. Israel did have the bomb, lots of bombs, but the real secret the book revealed was the extent to which three American presidents—Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson—had helped the Israelis produce, deploy, and lie about them.

No one likes to be the bearer of bad news, but I remain mystified by the ongoing inability of the Biden administration and the Israeli government headed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to tell the truth about what may or may not be grim news.

Earlier this week, I wrote that there were secret talks going on between Israel and Hamas about the release of hostages. I also wrote that the Israeli military and intelligence community believed there was a network of tunnels and a command-and-control bunker where Hamas had been hiding its hostages under the campus of several buildings at the Al-Shifa Hospital.

A knowledgeable American official has since told me that the Israeli intelligence community suspected from the outset of the war that the Hamas tunnel system, as widespread as it was throughout Gaza City, was not going to be the final destination of the hostages. “The tunnels are five-and-a-half feet high and three-and-a-half feet wide, just wide enough for someone with combat gear to get through,” the official said. The big fear was that Hamas may have killed all of the soldiers right away. “Moms and children are valuable. Soldiers are not.” The official added that Israel intelligence “does not know where all the hostages are.” But they do know where some of them were.

Israeli intelligence, which has mapped the tunnel system, understood early on that many of the Hamas hostages were at some point hidden in the underground floors of some of the hospital buildings in the Al-Shifa complex. They also learned that at some point the hostages, like the citizens of Gaza City, were moved south in the forced migration that Israel imposed as it continued its citywide bombing of homes, apartment complexes, and office buildings, all suspected for years to have tunnel entrances in their basements.

“There is no doubt at all—none,” an Israeli insider told me, “that a large group of hostages, especially the women and the young, were taken to Al-Shifa. Israeli soldiers and medics who have been searching the hospital room to room, bed to bed, have found plenty of evidence of the presence of the hostages—Israeli-made clothing, diapers, milk bottles.”

In addition, he said, “DNA from blood on the floors where the Israeli-made items were found was matched to DNA samples taken from family members of the hostages.” The Israeli military has announced the discovery in the past few days of the bodies of two of the Israeli hostages near the hospital complex area.

The insider explained that “Israel now also knows that about two hundred Hamas terrorists who entered Israel escaped back to Al-Shifa and were hiding there for about three weeks before heading south.”

“Israel believes,” he said, that some hostages “were kept at the Al-Shifa complex for two to three weeks.” When they moved south, “they did so with their faces covered by bandages” to prevent the Israeli surveillance drones from identifying them. The insider further said that Israel knows, with confidence, where the new hiding places, underground of course, are in the south.

There is also great Israeli anger, the insider said, at the doctors at the Al-Shifa campus “who helped cover the hostages with bandages and helped to smuggle them out.”

It is also known, as has been reported, that some hostages were taken by other terrorist groups and residents of Gaza City who took advantage of the of the sudden opening to Israel to steal, rape, and murder and return home with hostages.

The forced migration from Gaza City to the south also included untold thousands of Hamas fighters and their leaders. Combat experts in Washington believe that the infantry tactics of the Israeli army, aided by guidance from Lieutenant General James Glynn, who previously led the Marine Corps Special Forces, were highly effective. Glynn has since returned to the United States.

The widespread Hamas tunnel system enabled the officers and fighters of Hamas’s military wing, the Qassam Brigades, to spend days at work underground and then return home via the tunnel system to have dinner and spend the night with their families. There were thousands of entry and exit points to the tunnel system under apartment and office buildings in Gaza City. The Israelis had mapped the system and thus were able to assassinate many Hamas brigade commanders and their families, in their beds in ways that surprised the senior Hamas command. Most of the surviving Hamas military officers have also fled to the south.

It was this knowledge that led Israeli war planners to disregard the laws of war and decide to target every apartment building and office building in Gaza City known to have basement-level access to the tunnel system, despite the huge numbers of civilian fatalities such strikes would entail. That those strikes might constitute war crimes did not matter. The bombing also kept the main force of Hamas fighters locked underground, and vulnerable to the sealing of tunnels and even the potential use of tear gas. Israel then brought in heavy trucks to clear the rubble and create pathways for its tanks and armored vehicles that would control the ground war in Gaza City.

Talks between the Hamas leadership and Israel, with support from the United States, are now going on in Qatar. The American team includes CIA Director William Burns, President Biden’s most experienced foreign policy aide. A tentative agreement was reached days ago: Hamas agreed to release fifty women and older hostages in return for the release of hundreds of women and teenage girls of Hamas families who are now in Israeli jails. The United States insisted that the children and family members of any hostage to be released must also be released. The release of a mother without her children who were also captives was not acceptable. The American demand thus called for the release of 71 hostages. There was agreement on that score, but Hamas also insisted on a five-day halt to the war. That was immediately rejected by Netanyahu, who has continued to ignore the increasing anger of the hostages’ families whose rallies and protests are gaining momentum in Israel. Netanyahu and the generals running the war are convinced, the insider said, that “Hamas still hopes to live to fight another day. This is why they insist on long pauses for each group of hostages they release.”

At this point—with the war essentially won—the fate of Hamas soldiers still in the bunkers of the north is dire. There is also worry about the teenage Israeli boys who are captives and who are considered from the age of fifteen on by Hamas to be combat soldiers. Most of the Israeli men known to be captured are reservists, who are eligible to be summoned for active duty until they are forty-five.

The Israeli insider told me that the Israeli military has taken photos of slain Hamas fighters and has asked the families of those killed on October 7 if they wished to view the photos of the dead bodies in order to bring closure.

“Some families want to see the pictures.” the insider said. “Most do not.”

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

“There is no doubt at all—none,” an Israeli insider told me, “that a large group of hostages, especially the women and the young, were taken to Al-Shifa. Israeli soldiers and medics who have been searching the hospital room to room, bed to bed, have found plenty of evidence of the presence of the hostages—Israeli-made clothing, diapers, milk bottles.”

jesus fucking christ. yeah I'm sure there are no normal supplies that are Israeli-made in Gaza, the only way those could be there is from Israeli hostages. Palestinians have their own robust industries that meets all their needs despite our blockade. oh and all those Gazan guest workers in "Israel" never bought anything before going home to their kids, ever.

In addition, he said, “DNA from blood on the floors where the Israeli-made items were found was matched to DNA samples taken from family members of the hostages.”

we are to believe they swabbed dried blood from the floors for this?

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Israeli intelligence, which has mapped the tunnel system,

hasan-ok-dude

EDIT: I guess the interesting part is the implication that the CIA failsons sincerely believe this bullshit

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

A bunch of this he is getting direct from Israeli sources. If you go back and look at his articles on this war, some of the worst tips he has gotten have been from Israeli sources.

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

At this point—with the war essentially won—

:picard:

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

Maybe this is their exit strategy. Declare a win. Make up some shit capturing Hamas leaders, declare victory, and run away with their tails between their legs

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

will work for about 1 day until Hamas carries out another rocket or insurgent attack against Israel

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Won't happen if it means a cease in hostilities. They genuinely want to stop. It will be months/years before the next flare up.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

they knew what they started on October 7th, they aren't waving the white flag. This conflict was entered with eyes wide open and purposefully. there was a "ceasefire" before October 7th as well wasn't there. It's meaningless on its own and includes no justice. Hamas will want concessions.

We push for a ceasefire in the west against our warmonger governments because it's a meaningful way to apply pressure on our governments to give those concessions to Palestinians and negotiate from a weak position. Hamas and those fighting in Palestine may not be ready for a ceasefire, they may feel they have strategic advantages in some sense in asymmetrical warfare and geopolitical pressure and want to take the opportunity to press those advantages.

Basically, it's the duty of us in the west to be revolutionary defeatists and pressure Americans and Israelis to fold. We can do that by calling for a ceasefire from the Americans and Israelis. Hamas and the Palestinian resistance axis do not have a duty to be revolutionary defeatists, quite the opposite.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Of course Hamas went into it purposefully and seeking concessions. But they certainly want to achieve a ceasefire, members of the politburo have been saying that agreements have been made numerous times but Israel keeps going back on them. https://t.me/PalestineResist/19477

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They genuinely want to stop.

They so genuinely want to stop that they keep firing rocket attacks at Tel Aviv and destroying vehicles

I think this war is still in its opening stages, we aren't even close to the end. All of this reads the same as people saying that Russia or Ukraine was done and the war was won/lost on like March 12th, 2022

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I mean, obviously they'll keep fighting until the enemy leaves the territory? Including long range attacks. That seems like a given?

That does not mean they don't genuinely want fighting to stop. The issue is the Israelis weren't willing to take whatever deal was put forwards.

Here are Hamas' own words:

"We are ready to release women, children and foreigners at any time in exchange for women and children in the prisons of the occupation authorities. Of course, if a humanitarian truce is reached, during which aid will be delivered to all areas of the Gaza Strip without exception," said Izzat al-Rishq, a member of the movement's politburo.

Several talks have been ongoing and failed to reach agreements, mostly due to Israelis in my opinion. We're just not privvy to them.

Read this post: https://t.me/PalestineResist/19477

🟢 Member of Hamas Political Bureau, Izzat Al-Rishq:

The occupation is still delaying and obstructing reaching a humanitarian ceasefire agreement.

More than once, a formula for a ceasefire agreement was reached in which a specific number of occupation prisoners would be released daily in exchange for the release of women and children from the occupation prisons, along with the entry of relief and humanitarian aid to all areas of the Gaza Strip without exception. It is essential of to provide a secure environment that allows movement to track the prisoners of the occupation.

Every time, the occupation cancels the agreement at the last minute, and presents new demands that take us back to square one. It is clear that the occupation is trying to separate foreign and “israeli” detainees, and stipulates the release of only “israeli” detainees.

They are not serious about reaching an agreement, but are stalling in order to gain more time to continue their aggression and the war of genocide that they are committing. They deceive the families of their captives, making them believe that they are serious and keen to release them, but they deliberately avoid reaching a result.

From our side, we affirmed that we are ready at any time to release women, children, and foreigners in exchange for women and children in occupation prisons—of course, by reaching a humanitarian truce during which aid is brought into all areas of the Gaza Strip.

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And those sources are all Israeli which...like how is hearing even more propaganda from the side everyone is hearing nonstop propaganda from helpful, exactly? It's not like he's revealing shit that Israel isn't spewing openly and constantly. The useful shit about talking to Israeli sources wouldn't be hearing that they believe their own B.S.; it would be hearing about where inside stories contradict their own B.S. Has Hersh forgotten what his job even is at this point? It's fine to have these sources. But it's just not interesting or useful to report on this bit of what they're telling you. At that point you're just doing PR, not journalism.

It's like he's gotten high off what attention the Nord Stream story got him, and now he just wants to stay stuff to say stuff and maybe retain a bit of public relevance or something.

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