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Vote against Trump 2024
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Lmao not voting for Genocide Joe no matter how much the
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wine cave warriors will shame anyone. This sort of meme is fucking gross to all the people suffering from Biden continuing all Trumps worst policies and liberals doing zero to fight against more fascist policies and support for genocide in Palestine.
They can earn our vote by literally doing ANYTHING that actually materially benefits marginalized people or workers. So far they have nothing.
You mean like gun safety legislation (biggest in 30 years which unfortunately doesn't say much), inflation reduction and infrastructure measures, repealing DOMA, or taking steps against systemic racism?
I agree, none of it is enough, and honestly he probably does too. You can guess that based on other things he's tried to do and been stopped, like student loan relief. That's a great example because while it was blocked by Republicans, he's been taking other avenues to get some out there at least. That demonstrates it's not just demonstrative efforts, which is a popular argument when that kinda thing happens.
But I get it. I'm no big fan of Biden myself. Then again, you didn't say he's not doing enough. You said "literally ANYTHING". It's right there in your comment and quoted at the top of this one.
Now since we've demonstrated he's done more than literally anything, were you uninformed and will now change your stance, or were you a liar? If you were a liar did you already know that he'd done those things, or are you just not willing to stick to the criteria you yourself established?
Anything of material consequence this is the difference between liberals and communists. You think bourgeois politicians act in good faith or have your actual material interests at heart. You have a purely aesthetics understanding of politics.
Even if he actually did any of that in the way you think he did and I somehow benefitted from those things, I still wouldn't vote for him because you can't buy my vote with all the material appeals in the world if it means being complicit with genocide in return for table scraps. Fuck you and everyone like you. Wake the fuck up.
@Doug@midwest.social Answer me you fucking coward.
My life doesn't revolve around you or this site. I'll respond to things when I see them. I'm sorry if this is all you have going for you.
Neither does mine, I just can't help but see people say shit like you and be disgusted by it and every now and then I will call one of you out and you all react the same way. You can't actually tell me what your "good work fighting for Real Change I Can Affect (TM)" or in other words useless electoral politics once every four years, has accomplished MATERIALLY.
And I am sure you are a good voter that makes Informed Decisions. Maybe you even vote in primaries. Great! If so I applaud you, you are on the path to learning how futile bourgeois electoralism is (which based on your response I doubt) or (and I feel this seems more likely based on the evidence available) you just don't have any fuckin skin in the game and feel comfortable smugly trying to shame people into supporting someone that actively hates them and seeks to destroy their communities and movements through actions no matter his words.
Biden wants us fucking dead, indigenous people, communists, LGBTQ people, immigrants, etc.
The man is a sex pest, a segregationist, and a genocidal imperialist. If you can't see how twisted it is to beg people to vote for that man instead of demanding better from the so-called "lesser evil" then you aren't as morally superior as you think you are.
You also listed the fact he increased funding for fascist police who protect the fascists attacking drag shows etc. So if you actually cared about vulnerable groups in the US you would be threatening to withhold your vote too, but as I said you have no skin in the game, your politics is purely vibes based and idealist.
Demanding people that are actually laying their lives on the line to actually FIGHT for the things you profess to care about, vote for a man that would sooner have them dead than capitulate with our demands, you display a stunning amount of privilege and lack of ever having risked anything yourself for REAL change.
Please tell my friends on the reservations, or my friends living in their cars, or the ones getting arrested for speaking out against US support for genocide, or being brutalized for protesting pipeline constructions, or protesting against bigger more robust training facilities to put down said movements, tell all those people how they have to vote for Joe Biden, go tell it to their face and come back to me.
Wake up. People are dying RIGHT NOW WHILE BIDEN IS PRESIDENT.
I just wanna thank you Nakoichi because you are one of the most powerful posters I've ever had the pleasure of witnessing
Fuckin' imagine comparing yourself to someone fighting and dying on the front lines of these issues when being asked to complete the barest minimum of standing in a line and ticking a box sends you off into this paragraphs long screed.
You're not one of the people who's lives are in danger here in America, they all back Biden because they all know better than to expect that Trump will fix any of that shit or make the DNC align more with white communists who have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the polls even to support their own fucking guy in the primaries.
What you are is a priv who sees fit to hand us to the fascists because you prefer us as martyrs for your cause as opposed to agents for our own.
You are no moral agent, you're a blood stained cynic who'll watch every last one of us be marched to the camps just so you can ask whoever comes out after if they're ready to let you be in charge of everything now.
Reply to me right now too. Do you like Digimon?
Really because in the last day you've written 4 page long essays as responses arguing abaout literally everything except why you should be accountable for the consequences of the policies you support.
Which he's done. Ask one of the people who were pardoned from their federal possession charges, or received student loan relief. If those aren't material consequence you'll need to more clearly define what you mean by the term.
So you understand neither term
Where did I say that? I said he has backed up his intent for student loan relief with action even when meeting resistance.
Says the guy who has one comment and knows my outlook on all political matters
So you're a liar. I had need of a lawyer once and he told me it was fine if I didn't remember something and said so. It wasn't ok if I said something happened one way and it didn't because then I was a liar and he couldn't help anymore. You devalue your own words. You'd do well to think on that beyond any assumptions about my feelings on our legal system.
Then don't claim that it can be done. I'm also interested in what your viable suggestions for better with the tools we have are. That appears to be the difference between you and I. I'm interested in what change can actually happen to improve people's lives. It looks a whole lot like you want to move immediately into "no bad things". Letting perfect be the enemy of good.
And that's a big reason you'll get exactly nowhere. Name me a person who has enacted major change for their people without working with someone who they disagreed with and I'll reconsider.
Likewise
How do you write such long posts that say NOTHING of value, this shit is pathetic
Just smarmy smug Reddit shit
Nerd
Imagine listing more tools and money for fascist cops as a good thing lmao.
Who would you vote for? What would doing so accomplish?
Right back at ya bud. Now you are getting it.
So look, I’m all for a complete revamp of this trash electoral system and the shitty “government” it allegedly controls, but until we have a unified movement of hundreds of millions of people behind that, it isn’t happening without years of instability and many failed attempts.
So yes, I’ll vote for the lesser of two evils.
Ok genocide enjoyer
You’ve never chosen the lesser of two evils because you didn’t have any other practical options?
Ok genocide enjoyer
Oh, in that case you’ve convinced me. Solid point, and well-articulated at that.
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Nobody's trying to convince you, we're several decades past expecting liberals to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions.
There are, in fact, other practical options
Yes, no duh, but I mean options that are practical for me to do until other people finally agree to organize/unionize and make everything better for each other
Not voting for the extermination of the Palestinian people is a good compromise measure until then
I have a single vote that I can use in the 2024 presidential election. There are two ways that vote can go. One is a vote for the funding of the extermination of the Palestinian people, and the other is a vote for the funding of the extermination of the Palestinian people AND the extermination of whatever shred of American democracy there is left.
Tell me, is there some other way I can use my vote that has a good chance of making a difference or are we all just as fucked as it seems like we are?
There aren't any shreds of American democracy and there never have been. I don't know what country you live in, but I'm an American and we've never had democracy here.
Stay home and jack off?
Staying home is practical as hell yo
I’m gonna spend about 3 hours researching the local positions where my vote counts and leave everything where my vote has already been decided for me blank. Then, I’ll use all the extra time I saved from not pouring my brain down the drain watching endless election coverage to instead do some mutual aid, which has already saved several lives this winter. Fuck Donald Trump and fuck Joe Biden.
What would voting for Biden accomplish?
Nobody. Nothing by voting.
Which is exactly the same as what you're going to accomplish.
Giving a homeless person a dollar does more to improve the lives of the vulnerable in this country than voting for a Democrat.