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Vote against Trump 2024
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Who would you vote for? What would doing so accomplish?
Right back at ya bud. Now you are getting it.
So look, I’m all for a complete revamp of this trash electoral system and the shitty “government” it allegedly controls, but until we have a unified movement of hundreds of millions of people behind that, it isn’t happening without years of instability and many failed attempts.
So yes, I’ll vote for the lesser of two evils.
Ok genocide enjoyer
You’ve never chosen the lesser of two evils because you didn’t have any other practical options?
Ok genocide enjoyer
Oh, in that case you’ve convinced me. Solid point, and well-articulated at that.
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Nobody's trying to convince you, we're several decades past expecting liberals to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions.
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There are, in fact, other practical options
Yes, no duh, but I mean options that are practical for me to do until other people finally agree to organize/unionize and make everything better for each other
Not voting for the extermination of the Palestinian people is a good compromise measure until then
I have a single vote that I can use in the 2024 presidential election. There are two ways that vote can go. One is a vote for the funding of the extermination of the Palestinian people, and the other is a vote for the funding of the extermination of the Palestinian people AND the extermination of whatever shred of American democracy there is left.
Tell me, is there some other way I can use my vote that has a good chance of making a difference or are we all just as fucked as it seems like we are?
There aren't any shreds of American democracy and there never have been. I don't know what country you live in, but I'm an American and we've never had democracy here.
I personally am far from saying there is no harm in voting for Biden, but because of your comment I have to ask you: what harm is there in voting for Biden if there is no shred of democracy in the USA?
Well let's see since the last election when we were told we had to vote for Biden or else we'd lose abortion, trans people would have rights stripped and we'd stop doing covid relief we elected Biden and then all those things happened and we started doing the worse genocide of a generation.
Dems keep insisting they're the lesser of two evils but then completely fail to prevent the greater evil when given power electorally.
Do you vote in local elections?
This meme and this thread is not about local elections. Yes every serious communist participates in local elections (when there is something real to vote for)
You were faulting Biden’s election for the abolition of abortion and the removal of trans rights when I’m pretty sure those are both indirect results of Trump being elected. Trump gave conservatives a majority hold in the supreme court which overturned Roe v. Wade, and the emboldening and legitimizing of radical right-wing politicians led to the increased removal of trans rights.
What did you expect Biden to do to stop either of those things? I’m not defending the atrocities Biden has done and supports, but fault him for the correct things, not things that Trump caused.
Hey, if you're not trans, please stop using us as a political cudgel. The mainline democrats hate us too.
I apologize. I was responding to the points of the person higher up in this thread.
Yea I'm in New York state so unless I ball up my ballot and throw it at Biden so hard he dies my vote will literally have zero effect on the outcome.
So I vote for whoever is running against Steffanick isf they aren't a genocidal lib (they usually get about 12% of the vote, showing the likelihood of a good person ever actually getting elected) and then vote for whoever doesn't want to get rid of public education for local elections but that's usually somebodys aunt who agreed to run so a Maga lunatic can't eliminate school lunches and bus routes.
But check this out, none of those people have the ability, intention, or motivation to help murder thousands of innocent Palestinians.
It's actually not hard to not support genocide, unless you're a lib of course.
There's harm to my soul because I'd be putting down ceremonial support for a perpetrator of genocide. There's no benefit to voting for Biden.
You could vote for somebody who doesn't support genocie and vocally declare you won't vote for anybody doing a genocide until the dems run somebody who doesn't do genocide.
I know not actively supporting genocide is an unreasonable bar for liberals but you asked.
Stay home and jack off?
Staying home is practical as hell yo
You keep saying lesser of two evils.
The only difference I've seen between Trump and Biden is now that Biden is president libs scream at progressives to stop complaining because it makes them look bad.
Well that and when republican was president dems said tou had tonvote for them or else we'd lose abortion access, transgender people would lose rights, and covid would run rampant.
So we all voted for Biden and now there's no abortion protection, Trans people are loosing rights, we ignored the oandemic and cut all relief efforts, and now we're supporting and funding the worst genocide in a generation.
If you're going to argue you're the lesser of two evils you might want to try being less evil.
When Trump was president Pelosi was dressing up in fucking African garments pretending to support those ideas.
Bidens president and they're all voting to establish that criticizing Isreal is antisemitism.
Rank and file liberals are literally worse under a democratic president.
Biden and Trump are equally evil and either of them being president is a disaster for the world. They're exactly the same in terms of political outcome and I'm never issuing support for either, both are imperialist and responsible for genocide. I'm never voting for either, even if it would simply be ceremonial.
And don't even come with me with I'll be responsible for Trump then. I don't care. I do not see any difference between the two. I live in Texas anyway so my presidential vote simply doesn't matter.
Not gonna get that by rolling over for the democrats as they continue to become more and more right wing. Your support is part of the problem. You wanna move a party left? Deny them power until they do or why would they bother? They already have your support even if you hate them. You're their sub
I’m gonna spend about 3 hours researching the local positions where my vote counts and leave everything where my vote has already been decided for me blank. Then, I’ll use all the extra time I saved from not pouring my brain down the drain watching endless election coverage to instead do some mutual aid, which has already saved several lives this winter. Fuck Donald Trump and fuck Joe Biden.
Nobody. Nothing by voting.
Which is exactly the same as what you're going to accomplish.
Giving a homeless person a dollar does more to improve the lives of the vulnerable in this country than voting for a Democrat.
What would voting for Biden accomplish?
Keeping Trump out of the oval office is extremely important if I want to be allowed to vote again in my lifetime.