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sorry but its absolutely on the consumer if you're killing yourself drinking 500mg of caffeine in a lemonade or giving a 5 year old a 'death' chip.
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This is the dispenser. Most people don't know what milligrams are, let alone how many milligrams of caffeine are in coffee. They say these drinks have the same caffeine as a very strong coffee, but that's per volume, not per drink. One of these fucking things
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is FOUR coffees. And they aren't hot, they go down easy. One of the people who died was in Florida. It was probably a hot humid day. You could have 3 of these iced drinks easy, which is what he did, and that's between 12 and 15 coffees. 12 and 15. No barista would hand you fifteen fucking coffees to drink all at once. If these drinks exist they need to be behind the counter and marketed more accurately.
FDA: the safe amount of caffeine an adult can have per day is 400mg
Panera: this lemonade has 390mg of caffeine in it
Average American: I don't speak metric, 3 lemonades pls
????
Why are soft drinks measured in metric in Yankistan?
Because everything here should be metric but amerikkka decided to be a special sjowflake to say fuck you to the civilized world
safety warnings being in a system of measurement the people being warned don't know is the issue.
Yes it's dumb America doesn't use metric but far more importantly it's dumb that it doesn't say on the drink that you can't safely drink 3 of them
Right but soft drinks (and apparently the CDC) measures caffeine in mg which goes against the usual imperial measurements, giving the average person even less frame of reference to how much they're ingesting
Fluid ounces. For reference, an average size bottle of beer holds 12 fluid ounces.
Jesus they don't even put down the recommended daily amount
you're right I should amend my comment to say it is on the educational system for not teaching americans metric
It's not even about the units, you could put this in ounces and even fewer people would know.
People don't know caffeine dosages because nobody has to know that - they know what coffee is, and that's normally the strongest source of caffeine by a long shot. Even a huge Monster energy drink is less caffeine than a regular one cup of coffee, and that's well understood to have a kick to it. It's specifically marketed as an energy drink, so much so that people are often more intimidated by Monster and similar drinks than they are of coffee.
I have never heard of a single product, ever, that has had more caffeine, either by volume or by container, than coffee. I'm sure some existed before the Panera Death Lemonade, but I'm certain it's fairly obscure and also that it is marketed as absolutely fucking you up with energy.
I guarantee that the previous inhabitant of the spot next to the soda machine was some sweet and unsweet tea, or other juice, uncaffeinated.
It's really just an attempt to make a product unexpectedly more addictive to increase their sandwich sales. They thought slapping the miligrams on the box could shift their legal liability to the consumer - that maybe a judge will rule that people just have a responsibility to understand caffeine dosages before having a lemonade with their shitty sandwich. Maybe they'll be right
that's right
There's too much information required for everyone to make perfect decisions at all times and there's a reason we put warnings on things as a result. Some of it is really fucking obvious that you shouldn't do, some of it isn't. We put on acetaminophen that you shouldn't take more than 3g a day and most boxes/bottles explicitly state no more than x pills every x hours based on the dosage of the pills. What about the people that bought loose caffeine powder to manually add it to things they make like protein smoothies that when not given a scoop in the container put too much caffeine in and end up dying? The world wants caveat emptor to the end of the earth when in reality half this shit is dangerous off the factory line.
How about HFCS? It's in fucking everything in the US, you can't escape that corny goodness. It's not healthy, but it won't kill you in a day, is it the "consumer's" fault that they got life long diseases due to not knowing enough to pick better options or rather, didn't have better options even available?
They're killing enough of us already, we don't need to carry water for them.