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What's the benefit of using Kbin over Lemmy?
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this post was submitted on 17 Jul 2023
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I prefer Lemmy's UI. Good to have choices though.
Has anybody made a kbin script/userstyle that has the same information density as old.reddit? One of the things that drives me nuts about most of the fediverse is that every damn site seems to love this wide spread out low information density mobile web awfulness.
I saved this one the other day but haven’t tried it out yet
https://mlmym.org/
That doesn't seem to work for kbin, does it?
It just gives me a 404 when I try to use it on kbin, sadly.
You can subscribe to people on Mastodon from Kbin, though, right? You can't do that from Lemmy.
Yes you can follow users on kbin, which you can't do on lemmy, and this applies to both users on mastodon/mblogs and lemmy/kbin.
However, from what I can gather, kbin is still community/magazine focused. For instance, I don't think you can get a feed of just the posts of those that you follow, as you would on mastodon. You can select the
subscribedchannel and then lookmicroblogs, which can get you close, but is really a view of all the posts from the people you follow and that have the hashtags for all of the magazines you follow (I think). THe important bit here being that kbin puts posts form mastodon/mblogs into magazines based on hashtags, where each magazine can defined what hashtags it will "scoop up". And so "subscribed microblogs" includes all of those posts tagged with hashtags scooped up by the communities/magazines you follow.I have no idea what kbin's road map is for this, but for me personally, who has a mastodon account on an instance I'm rather happy with, as well as this lemmy account, it doesn't offer something that would prompt me to migrate as a user.
One thing I'm probably missing here is whether one can more easily post to both communities/magazines and one's mastodon followers from kbin. I don't know enough about whether that is so and why and how far lemmy would be from achieving the same, but at this point in the fediverse's development, it's a not insignificant factor, as, IMO, so many are on mastodon and other microblog platforms that bridging that gap is vital to creating a sustainable and healthy ecosystem of platforms on the fediverse.
Fwiw you can post to both Lemmy communities and Mastodon at the same time, that does work pretty well, but it has to be from your Mastodon account and you tag the Lemmy community as a user. (First line of the Mastodon toot becomes the post title on Lemmy, fyi if you're going to try it, and you can tag the community at the end it doesn't need to be the first thing in your toot)
Not actually sure if that works the same way for Kbin magazines, I'm subscribed to plenty of them but most of them are kind of inactive so never had chance to test it. If anyone's done the science and can report back, that would be interesting to know!
Yea posting from mastodon to lemmy is a nice way to join the two platforms actually.
I keep encouraging mastodon users to do it more, as they don't have any groups and hashtags and not great IMO.
For those interested, I've written a little demo of doing so from mastodon, with comments/replies that provide links to the resulting lemmy post: https://hachyderm.io/@maegul/110483509521476095. If you think it's helpful, feel free to share it around to anyone else you know that might be interested in posting to lemmy from mastodon.
Nice! Bookmarked for when this inevitably keeps coming up in support threads haha :D
I've definitely found it to be a good way to get interactions going in smaller communities so far, if the topic has a decent presence on the Mastodon side. Can't quite decide if that's cheating or not but some of those communities need all the help they can get!
Not cheating at all! It should be happening more IMO!
At the moment, I'm actually frustrated at the lack of cross platform engagement between lemmy/kbin and mastodon. A big part of it, IMO, is the simplicity of mastodon's UI and how integrating with any other platform with a more sophisticated UI becomes difficult. Right now, for instance, mastodon has no nice way to deal with a community/magazine or a post with multiple threads of comments beneath it, as all mastodon does is see everything as a flattened stream of posts in reverse chronological order.
Right now, posting from mastodon to a community is the only way to bring these worlds together that works for users of both platforms, except for the user making the post, which is a problem.
You've articulated my thoughts perfectly and emboldened me not only to keep doing it, but to do it way more.
The trickiest part so far has been wording toots in such a way that they still look and read like Mastodon content, but also are in the correct format for Lemmy. Also the fact that I recently moved from an instance with an extra-long character limit to one with the default, but such is life lol.
Oh yea ... that character limit man ... once you have a decent one (>2000) you can't go back!!
I've actually though of suggesting to some communities that do regular posts like star trek's episode threads to post them from a mastodon account just to get some engagement.
It'd be cool if there was some bot that made this easier.
It's one of those use-cases (and I understand why it's not a thing, but still) where I'd love to have quote toots. Just being able to share the Mastodon version of a post but add a bit of text and hashtags and stuff so people on there see it and can easily interact with it. Commenting works but is a bit awkward on one side and a bit spammy on the other.
So many ways the integration could eventually go! But what we do already have is still pretty cool, just gonna keep experimenting with the best way to get people talking to each other.
Anyway consider me a recruit to your Lemmy/Mastodon crosspost revolution! 😄
Totally with you.
Thanks for the chat ... and Awesome!
Yeah, you can.
Also, if you look in the "microblog" section of a kbin magazine, it collects Mastodon posts that use whatever hashtags the mag mods have set for that magazine and you can interact directly with the Mastodon users.
Eg. on @worldwithoutus the microblog section has these Arctic sea ice reports in it from Mastodon, because #Arctic is one of the magazine tags. It's really neat.
Can you connect to the same user if you switch? For example a Kbin user can use a Lemmy app like Voyager or the opposite?
Thanks, now I understood.
So it's not like having a user in Lemmy.world Vs Lemmy.nl. It's beyond that.
Yeah both of those use the Lemmy software. Kbin is separate software. It works pretty much the same way as Lemmy in terms of there being multiple Kbin instances, they're just running on the different software.
Kbin has a boost "retweet" function whilst lacking a "save post" function Kbin naturally shows user karma whilst here, it is counted but not shown (some clients display it)
Is there good android apps fir kbin?
The REST API is still in development. Once that gets released I'm sure app devs will spring up and build something fancy. I think Artemis is already working on an integration but that's with html scraping.
There's been a heap of work on the mobile UI/UX and I'm constantly pushing to get more mobile centric features into prod.
Official API is almost getting there. I'm alredy updating the app to start using it with my test instance that has it deployed. Just to get ahead of it.
Sweet. Can't wait to see how it all turns out! 🦙
From a brief look at their public API, it only seems to users to GET stuff, and not POST stuff yet, so that would limit the possibility of apps.
There is Artemis. You can apply to enter the beta on their community!
Can you explain more about the politics bit? What specifically is different regarding how political discussions are handled over there?
People say that the devs are extreme left, though I haven't seen anything extreme first hand, simply being communist is a very valid opinion but I guess there's more to it. Besides politics, the project is very nice and promising, and I've had very useful feedback from the devs while trying to make a pull request for a new feature.