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[-] atomkarinca@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 11 months ago

where have i said that they were innocent? every action we take has consequences, whether you evaluate and come to a conclusion or just accept it blindly. in either case we are not absolved of the consequences of our actions.

i'm saying that there is a context to this. it is deliberate that the easiest way out is recruitment for a serious number of people. if we want to make it easy to dissolve that entity, a very powerful way forward is to make the material conditions better for everyone.

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

“For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard. When he went out about nine o’clock, he saw others standing idle in the marketplace, and he said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ So they went. When he went out again about noon and about three o’clock, he did the same. And about five o’clock he went out and found others standing around, and he said to them, ‘Why are you standing here idle all day?’ They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard.’ When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, ‘Call the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and then going to the first.’ When those hired about five o’clock came, each of them received a denarius. Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius. And when they received it, they grumbled against the landowner, saying, ‘These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.’ But he replied to one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius? Take what belongs to you and go; I choose to give to this last the same as I give to you. Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous?’ So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

— Matthew 20:1–16, New Revised Standard Version

I see it that way. you get a full day Labour in gods vineyard. No matter if you laboured in it the hole day or just the evening hours. If you dont you will NOT get payed . (Fair: Labour is the source of all value).

EDIT (more explaination ): Somebody leaving the town to Opress other Towns , is most certanly not working in the Vineyard , and he will have little chances to be pickt up from the Market place . He will most certaily not get payed !

Dont wanna preach in Latin here .

[-] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago
[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

Somebody leaving the town to Opress other Towns , is most certanly not working in the Vineyard , and he will have little chances to be pickt up from the Market place . He will most certaily NOT get payed ! is current statues is - 1 dinary...

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

(Fair: Labour is the source of all value)

I'm gonna bully you with a bit of Marx's Gothe and say lol no but whut about nature tho

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

bring it to me , not using labour or bring me to it not using labour..

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Was? Das macht auf Englisch keinen Sinn.

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

bring mir die früchte der Natur, aber ohne arbeit , oder lass mich die Natur genießen , aber ohne arbeit .

geht nicht , braucht auch arbeit , und sei es nur das Schuhwerk... so ungefähr. ?

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

I think I get what you're saying now

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