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[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 60 points 10 months ago

Thus far we’ve not seen any impact on air freight prices as it’s the post holiday low season without all the e-commerce demand that drove the high air prices in Q4. A 747 cargo plane can only carry around 7 ocean containers worth of cargo though compared to 10,000+ for the mega container ships, so it won’t take a lot of companies deciding to shift cargo from ocean to air for the air cargo market to become capacity constrained.

What a wild difference between the cargo capacity of the two.

[-] Sphere@hexbear.net 55 points 10 months ago

Yeah and the broader point is an important one; it won't be too long before the impacts of this shift are very obvious in the marketplace. The US is under enormous pressure to get things back to normal, but the guy in charge is more pro-:isntrael: than Reagan, so I don't see any way that can happen.

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 44 points 10 months ago

At some point, shipping magnets all along the Mediterranean are going to start pissing themselves in frustration.

Also, can't help but see the BRI guys feeling a little extra smug about their plane for overland transport through the Middle East.

There's a reason why Reagan wasn't willing to tolerate Israeli bullshit, and it wasn't because of his deep love and respect for the Lebanese people.

[-] WayeeCool@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Also, can't help but see the BRI guys feeling a little extra smug about their plane for overland transport through the Middle East.

I had actually forgotten that China's belt and road initiative involved electrified freight train routes from China up through Russia or the middle east into Europe proper. Iirc there is also work to build routes from China deep into Africa to allow reliable trade of resources and goods without ocean going freight.

Years ago I was honestly surprised to learn that there wasn't already a reliable freight train network connecting all of continental Asia, Africa, and Europe. That everyone was sending freight longer distances via ocean going freight traveling around continents rather than via rail in straight lines over land seemed so wasteful. Ocean going freight should only be necessary for oversized freight, island nations, or freight between the eastern and western global hemispheres.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 35 points 10 months ago

Intuitively, boats are more scalable than trains so to some degree it makes sense. Today, ocean shipping is cheaper than over land.

China's feeling extra smug because their state-owned shipping can still transit the Red Sea lol

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

There was probably too much conflict and war in Europe in the past for countries to build international networks like that

[-] WayeeCool@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah. I remember something about everyone intentionally using incompatible rail gauges out of fear that other nations would use trains for military invasions. It's only been in recent decades where we have started to see a globally adopted standard rail gauge for freight networks.

[-] Fontasia@feddit.nl 5 points 10 months ago

Props to him for being so on brand, if a war isn't going to profitable, it's not worth having the war.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 10 months ago

These ships are big. They are like the size of a skyscraper someone put on its side and attached a propeller to.

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

and they burn mad oil. the shit they burn is practically asphalt, and it SUCKS for the enviornment. xi-plz, create the nuclear cargo ship. please

[-] wopazoo@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sailships (wind power) are another option for zero-emission cargo shipping

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

i cant wait for sailships to become more mainstream, they're really cool

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

perhaps it's not too late for me to become a pirate after all

Death to America

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Would that not be a bit slow and potentially dangerous in storms and things? I don't know much about modern sailships.

[-] wopazoo@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago

Cargo ships already run very slowly in order to save fuel. In a storm where the winds are so strong that the ship risks capsizing, the sails can simply be retracted. Also, if the time spent not moving when there is no wind is a concern, sails can be combined with diesel (or even nuclear) propulsion in a hybrid setup.

Also see: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2021/05/how-to-design-a-sailing-ship-for-the-21st-century

[-] huf@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

eeeh, yeah but if you want to effectively use sails, you need to take specific routes with good reliable wind. modern cargo ships can go in a straighter line.

so it's not as easy as that, but yeah, they should bring back sailships even if that makes the transit times longer

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

Nah, since the advent of compressed wood we've had the ability to build massive, lightweight and ultra strong sailing ships

It's just not profitable to do so

[-] LeZero@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

I know the standards of construction between civilian and military shipping are pretty different, but we have had nuclear powered ships for a while now (nuclear aircraft carrier notably) and they sail pretty fine

Actually there are civilian nuclear powered ships, the USSR and the Russian Federation have built nuclear powered icebreakers (shoutout the Lenin ) which have had accidents but as far as I can tell, no human losses occurred

So I'd say building nuclear cargo ships isn't really in the realm of science fiction, as long as proper construction standards are applied

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