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Concealed-carry permit holders aren't the ones who commit gun crimes, but because they're the ones who actually follow the law, they're the ones that are targeted by these draconian rules.
My husband (one of the most trustworthy and responsible people I know- flaws and all) has been talking about getting a concealed-carry permit.
My argument against it, is that if there is an active shooter and he also pulls out his gun to take them out, the cops or other permit-owners might not realize that he's the "good guy" and he (or I, if I'm nearby) could get shot instead.
He went silent, and seemed to spend a lot of time thinking about it after I'd shared my thoughts. Thus far he hasn't tried to obtain one
Using your pistol in a mass shooting event is an edge-case of an edge-case. Even if you're carrying, run, hide, fight is still the correct strategy. The way bigger concern is that you'll shoot yourself or a loved one. There are things you can and should do to mitigate your accident/suicide/murder risk, but that's really the thing you should be worried about.
Anyway, if you find yourself within shooting distance, yeah, calmly shoot back and run. The immediate threat of getting shot by the mass shooter is more pressing than potentially being misidentified as the perpetrator even just minutes later. It's incredibly unlikely you'll be confronted by the shooter exactly when the cops show up, making yourself a potential target.
Anyway, again, there's loads more probable things you need to worry about when it comes to CCW than a mass shooter.
That's true and a problem. Glad the option for CC is still available.
It's always a risk, but the instructors have tips to mitigate this risk. Chief amongst them, and this one is for bystanders, give a description of the shooter if you're the one calling. The police responding having at least sort of a picture can help everyone. If you see a defender give a description of them as well if possible. Second, for the defender, you are NOT obligated to stay at the scene if you feel it is unsafe. Get the hell out, holster it otw out if you're sure there's no second shooter, call the cops and say you had to defend yourself and you'll turn yourself in, immediately call your lawyer, and listen to them, they'll guide you from there. If you feel it is safe and you're staying, same as above, holster, cops, lawyer. If there is a second shooter you are not obligated to try and kill him, but if you do it may be smarter to reholster and keep a hand on the grip simply for this exact reason (and as always don't be stupid, peek corners, use cover, watch for trailing accomplices, etc, but a lot of that comes from a different trainer. Frankly unless you've taken classes beyond the bare minimum CCW that teaches what to do if you have to use it legal-wise, it may be the smarter move to not pursue if you can get to an exit.) It's certainly something you'd have to prepare for beforehand, you can't just go all "John Wick" without all the IDPA training Keanu actually does (and of course even then it's a movie lol.)
/adhd
If the US has shown the world one thing then it is that the only rule that will really work is an absolute no-exception ban on firearms.
Eric and Dylan have been dead for what, 20 years now, and what has changed? It. Got. Worse. They were amateurs compared to what followed. The Las Vegas shooting was beyond amazing and would have been prevented if weapons like these are only available on the black market for a million dollar with bullets costing 1000 bucks a pop. The crazies won't be able to afford it and the very VERY few criminals that can afford guns and want to take that risk won't be crazy enough to start shooting around at random innocent citizens and or bystanders.
This shit only happens when weapons (and more importantly, bullets) are available freely and CHEAPLY.
At this point, I'd say the US has had their chance.
This entire "but we need weapons to overthrow evil governments!" claim is absolute horse shit, exhibit A being the day before yesterday, a year ago... Those same idiots always parrotting about overthrowing evil governments trying to overthrow a legitimate government so that they can install a dictatorship.
The US has shown the world year after year that it's citizens cannot responsibly handle firearms, period. Yes, I know, guns are cool toys, BUT FUCKING CHILDREN ARE DYING BY THE THOUSANDS.
Sucks for those few that are responsible, you can thank all the incels and what not, but you won't be able to shoot them for what they did, we'll be taking those guns, thank you.
PROHIBIT ALL GUNS IN THE US
So draconian that I don't want someone to bring a gun to a public playground or the fucking zoo.
Oh wow maybe the ban works? Noooo it's definitely because you scared idiots carrying weapons around all day are just SO responsible.
Hey you know who's 100% responsible for all gun violence? PEOPLE WITH GUNS.
"Subset X of large group Y has committed a negligible amount of crime Y in the last generation."
"NO YOU IDIOT, LARGE GROUP Y DOES ALL OF CRIME Y, JUST THINK!!!"
Oh sorry I forgot only a subset of the people that own a thing made to kill other people actually kill other people. Good point go ahead and bring those guns hidden in your pants to a kids park or whatever. I feel so much safer now.
Hey look, it's the same logic that racists use
Yeah, racists probably don’t want guns in kids parks either.
What the fuck? TIL it's racist to think people shouldn't bring guns to the park.
Hey look it's the same logic idiots use.
Imagine being so privileged you don't have to worry about defending yourself or your family.
Gun control is racist
These kinds of laws are already in effect in Chicago. Guns come in freely via Indiana where it's constitutional carry, plus other means. It turns out that banning guns only means that law abiding citizens — which as the above commenter pointed out, statistically almost never use their weapons criminally — stop carrying and criminals have carte blanche to go target practicing on defenseless meat bags.
CA is a massive state, and I'm sure it has plenty of weapons. Criminals aren't going to magically stop committing gun crime because of a stupid law, and if anything it will only embolden them as they're less likely to encounter a CC citizen. Guns will continue to flow in via NV, AZ, and Mexico.
Just conveniently left that one off of there, eh?
You're preaching to the wrong crowd, dude. Most White Americans straight up fuckin love guns and gun ownership more than they do some of their own family members