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/r/TheDeprogram has really gone downhill.
(hexbear.net)
It's basically the new /r/GenZedong.
They should've done this way before this became a problem.
I'd like Nakoichi's thoughts on this as well.
Zero serious discussion -> nihilism sets in
did genzedong actually say anything to get quarantined or was that another disinformation strike?
deprogram is pretty much identical memes but sides neutral/against assad putin & maduro
Being openly pro Russia when the SMO started. The reason given was a vague reference to "disinformation".
Nobody else wanted to stray outside the libertarian-esque muh tax dollars argument, but they still got all affronted at ANSWER coalition type antiwar ppl in washington using the same anemic criticism. Same shit Zizek did during Iraq like "hey cmon i'm as left as a guy can be but are you really stanning saddam hussein lol??" totally unaware of the actual arguments until years later, when they will still be smug.
Whatever, not like it matters. Ukraine won the mind war. Solidnet stood with the working class of Ukraine against the little green men who snuck into Donbas. Everyone made their difference.
Nah in retrospect it was exactly correct and the hedging both siders have been completely discredited
Also remember at the time, the official stance of the entire western left was “Russia isn’t going to invade, this is played up media hysteria”. When that view was proven wrong, many over corrected to the official US state department view or nihilistic both sidesism because their view of the situation was very shallow, they didn’t know anything about Donbas or Crimea or the Maidan. This is true even on /r/genzedong, where most were caught off guard and a majority started making mealy mouth denunciations of Russia instead of critically supporting them. It was a vocal minority that pushed back against the chauvinist impulse and made the case that Russia is acting in an anti-imperialist and anti-fascist way in this situation.
Nobody was listening to the minority of non-Russophobic communists and anti-imperialists saying Russia may likely invade as it has X, Y and Z legitimate concerns leading up to the war. Those people were called pro-Putin stooges, little green men, russiabots, pat socs, etc. even though they were correct. It was only after the western left's shallow worldview of big bad (yet impotent) Putinist Russia was popped that they seriously began to take the views of these anti-imperialists seriously and began to consider to the Russian perspective, or consider hearing what Russians have to say without instant dismissal.
I was there and I didn't see any of this. I saw critical support stated unflinchingly, which enraged radlibs and they framed it as russia worship & I saw both sides ultra shit. The two argued a lot right before the ban. That's it. The radlibs saw what they wanted to see. Those same people would have been appalled at the news mega.
Z posting is fine by the way, just like Hamas posting is. Memes and support often are taken out of context and taken way too literally by Pearl clutchers in the opposition. A shitposting anti-imperialist meme subreddit is going to have Z posts. I’m tired of leftists treating Russians like lepers they must hold their nose at, most of that comes from Russophobia from the Cold War, Red Scares and Russiagate. Most of their criticisms are ill informed imperialist intrigue or the reasons why we are critically supporting them instead of uncritically, and is already implicitly understood by the anti-imperialists.
Go off king
Deprogram is like if you mixed genzedong with 196, inserting a lot more radlib and literal children
The users there seem very young and internet naive, like they are blown away by common leftist facts and have a hard time parsing cynicism and sarcasm, often misinterpreting meaning. Contrast that with the old Chapo or TrueAnon subreddits where there’s a bunch of heterodox weirdos with tons of esoteric knowledge and references, and lots of humor/sarcasm and world weariness, it’s night and day
That's probably true overall yeah, that's why you can just as easily have a thread that's like "what do we think of these guys?" and a picture of the Communist Party of the Philippines (where all the commenters are like "they give me a good feeling. great stuff") as you can have a thread giving Sison a raised eyebrow for calling for attacks on companies the Philippine govt & the US had recently sanctioned from the Netherlands shortly before his death
tbf, its the literal deprogramming sub. a lot of people there will be new to leftism because the three deprogram hosts make content for new leftists
It was and it wasn't, afaik.
GenZedong was too blatant and shitposty with its content and was quarantined for being too toxic.
Or that's what I was told anyway. They also kept brigading others too.
But yes, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a disinfo strike on top of other factors, which I'm not entirely unsympathetic to.
"Brigading" is a nonsense concept. These aren't private communities. Coming to the community and engaging with the content isn't an invasion. That's just using the website 🙄
Are trolls just using the website? Kerryposters? Is that Israeli app that directs users to dogpile pro-Palestine social media comments OK?
Brigading should mean more than organic users posting a link in a friendlier space and saying "hey check this shit out." But I wouldn't say it's a useless concept altogether.
kerryposters got banned for spamming, not brigading.
You know what I mean
[speaking from within your walls] If the impression reddit follows an actual system with moderating communists makes you feel like Tankie Bunker subs are safer, I won't disturb that.
Tankie Bunker subs?
BalticSSRs, sendinthetanks, informedtankie, should be fine for a while if they're not banned over Israel posting
my advice would be act like Al Jazeera to remain on reddit if that's anyone's priority.
Also, many leftist/commie subs followed your advice to the T. The mods at MoreTankieChapo at the end were in full cooperation with the admins and removing content the admins didn't like. They still got banned. FULLCOMMUNISM mods were in cooperation with the admins and still got perma-quarantined. Following Reddit rules isn't enough to stay unbanned, certain types of anti-imperialist posting and truth saying about ISIS/Al Qaeda/CIA/Mossad will just get you banned over tiny minor infractions or delays from the mods.
It's like taking cops seriously about giving people contradictory Simon Says instructions & shooting them
MoreMoreTankieChapo even caught a ban for being a MoreTankieChapo ban evasion sub, when they were in fact a leftist infighting schism sub.
CTH2 also ate it for being a ban evasion sub of CTH even though it was a different community and split off years before CTH ban
Stoically continue posting content as your family is murdered in front of you?
express disgust at cruelty and waste but stick within the narrative and keep track of when the rules change
They don't even do that, that at least would honor the martyrs who have been killed doing journalism in Gaza. They instead altered their English coverage to be less anti-Israel after Blinken ordered them to. They cucked.
Qatar should have told Blinken to fuck off and have western media spend a month in Gaza to align their reporting with reality, but instead they folded and sold out Palestine like all the gulf states do
https://orinocotribune.com/inconsistencies-between-arabic-and-english-programming-al-jazeera-walks-a-tightrope/
This Orinoco Tribune article posted by Al_Sham (well-highlighted) in the news mega got me thinking about how I need to write down my impressions the way seemingly radical journalism can subvert and demoralize, I'm sure this is better put by other people.
To lay out a few general traits that I will back up with examples (starting with ones less likely to piss people off then moving up)
equivocating US/NATO/Canada/Aus/SK/Japan/Zionist tactics/political aims with enemy
defeatism, under the guise of outrage. US/etc. side is merely accused of disproportionate response. the sustainability of our tactics isn't questioned, but the morality of it is. it is frequently remarked it could be spent on healthcare instead. (this enforces more myths about government spending than it dispels, which you can see by how it gets equal play with libertarians)
strictly using US/NATO/etc. sources, even if critical. uses the logic of anti-disinformation against what you'd consider
amplifies existing messaging possibly without attribution
dilutes & prunes messaging to get more coverage within the Western media sphere & its outputs
sensationalism focuses attention on redundant events & doesn't examine the larger program an atrocity is a part of (My Lai for instance, Doug Valentine calls this out in the book he wrote after the Phoenix Program, mentioning Hersh, Scahill, Ellsberg, Amy Goodman, and others, if you want to go look at examples, although those are also examples of how to maintain access to intelligence sources tit for tat)
Sorry for yapping I'm walking around
Throw your reporters under the bus to die and follow US orders to “put a lid” on the anti-Israel sentiment?
Yes expect to get nothing for your efforts basically. Follow instructions and get punished for it.
I don't intend to; I mostly use it for other things.
Do NOT act like Al Jazeera then
I'm... not?
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I'm so confused right now lmao
Being blatant in your communism is good. Genzedong was better than any subreddit that exists on Reddit today
GenZedong was cool, although very shitposty. The subs that replaced GenZedong (Dongistan and such) were terrible though, allowing actual fascists to vibe in there just because they happened to support Russia at the start of the Ukraine-Russia conflict.
every version of Dongistan is trash, that's worth mentioning lol
turanic racism caucus
I only ever saw it on Reddit, not surprised though. That subreddit (Dongistan) was literally what lemmy libs describe Hexbear as, red fascists. Proof that leftist movements without theory quickly devolve into liberal sensationalism
I still think this is giving patsocs and people too much credit 😂 they just sidle up to people who they notice have potential overlapping conversation topics. They barely know what is even happening
I remember in 2019-2020 the Infrared mods were like openly trying to parlay with TrueAnon fans, because they interact with other "online debate" communities that act like that, where there are like alliances and shit. Very bizarre.
They genuinely were just like "hmm, Epstein didn't kill himself, vaccine skepticism, maybe these are also our guys? poke em"
Not a leftist movement, it's more like the false Buddhist monk's Discord, Bhante Varrapanyo. Right down to the former rightist + religion debate overlap. (Go look up people on /r/Buddhism complaining about him if you're curious lmao, allegedly he was waving around bales of cash and screaming.)
GZD and Deprogram and Chapo are really only as different as they want to make themselves out to be, they act like similar manifestations. At least GZD is actually politically connected to the Landless Workers' Movement in Brazil, and you all donate to Chunka Luta. I guess Tankie Bunker has CPUSA, which definitely exists.
Tankie Bunker?