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Image is of legal adviser to Israel's foreign ministry Tal Becker and British jurist Malcolm Shaw at the ICJ hearing.


The ICJ case against Israel might not achieve much for the Palestinian cause directly, given that Israeli politicians have explicitly stated that the Hague will not stop them - and I believe them. The Resistance will be what stops them, and they are doing quite well for themselves. Hezbollah has hit highly sensitive and important Israeli military sites over the last couple weeks, and in general persist in several border attacks every day. The battles in Iraq and Syria also continue. Hamas remains largely intact, and is successfully forcing Israeli forces in the northern Gaza Strip to retreat, and other parts of the Gazan Resistance are continuing to battle down in Khan Yunis. And, last but not least, Yemen is firmly dedicated to the blockade, warding off another ship literally minutes before I started writing this paragraph.

What the ICJ is battling over isn't Palestine and Israel - not really - but the legitimacy of international law itself, and to what degree victimized countries can rely on it to solve problems, versus needing to take more militant routes for justice. In a weird sense, it might be an L for Israel either way. If international law sides with Palestine, then when Israel refuses to stop, it will invalidate international law. If international law sides with Israel, then it will invalidate international law. There is no conceivable way for the West to come out of this looking good.

The South African portion detailing Israeli atrocities against Gaza was largely ignored by the western media. They have instead, obviously, decided to focus on the Israeli portion. Their defense appears to amount to "We didn't do it, Hamas did it. And if we did do it, it doesn't matter, because that's just urban warfare for you. Please get this whole thing thrown out on a very dubious technicality so we don't have to advance to the next stage."

From Craig Murray, who has been physically going to the Hague:

It is important to realise this. Israel is hoping to win on their procedural points about existence of dispute, unilateral assurances and jurisdiction. The obvious nonsense they spoke about the damage to homes and infrastructure being caused by Hamas, trucks entering Gaza and casualty figures, was not serious. They did not expect the judges to believe any of this. The procedural points were for the court. The rest was mass propaganda for the media.

...I am sure the judges want to get out of this and they may go for the procedural points. But there is a real problem with Israel’s “no dispute” argument. If accepted, it would mean that a country committing genocide can simply not reply to a challenge, and then legal action will not be possible because no reply means “no dispute”. I hope that absurdity is obvious to the judges. But they may of course wish not to notice it…

What do I think will happen? Some sort of “compromise”. The judges will issue provisional measures different to South Africa’s request, asking Israel to continue to take measures to protect the civilian population, or some such guff. Doubtless the State Department have drafted something like this for President of the court Donoghoe already.

I hope I am wrong. I would hate to give up on international law. One thing I do know for certain. These two days in the Hague were absolutely crucial for deciding if there is any meaning left in notions of international law and human rights. I still believe action by the court could cause the US and UK to back off and provide some measure of relief. For now, let us all pray or wish, each in our way, for the children of Gaza.


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https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
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https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
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https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

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Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 58 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Americans need to be humbled, and the only way I ever see that happening is by losing a war on American soil.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

War of 1812 didn't seem to change their mind

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago

I wouldn't call the War of 1812 a clear America L. The US got a lot of stuff it wanted, including clearing the way for expansion into the Northwest Territories.

[-] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah the War of 1812 was pretty much a stalemate, then the US even got a symbolic victory at New Orleans. Tecumseh lost more than anyone.

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

amerikkka cope

The brits literally shelled the buildings around the Whitehouse. They had to repaint it white to hide the scorch marks. Why do you think the Whitehouse is the only building on the whole block?

There were no border changes after the was of 1812. America didn't achieve its objectives of annexing Canada. They lost the war. Canada and Britain stopped USA from attacking Canada ever again. They won.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Britain had to fold the war because it fucked up their economy so bad, demilitarize in the Great Lakes, stop supporting the Native American tribes in the Northwest Territories, got absolutely owned in New Orleans, Baltimore, and Plattsburgh, and you are correct, there were no border changes, despite multiple British attempts to retake land previously ceded to the US, in addition to Louisiana Purchase territory. American didn't come out with some grand win, but it also wasn't much of a loss either. The whole premise of the Treaty of Ghent was returning back to how things were before the war.

[-] Starlet@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

Israeli soil will be the next best thing.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

It's the 51st state, it's honorary America

[-] italktothewind@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

is that actually a possibility? I always think about the US balkanising and falling into irrelevance that way, fighting each other, etc

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

Counterpoint: this would just make them even more fascist.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

I feel like losing the the Axis of Resistance in the Middle East will result in that, and the only way to make Americans think twice about war is for us to see it up close and in person.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

they don't even need to lose, just the fight itself increases the fascism of the imperialists. Merely being in conflict with Russia, for instance, turned them all into Slava Ukraini Banderite sympathizers even when they thought they were winning.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Too bad? Dooming 300 million to their own poetic ironic end to free the other 7.7 billion is necessary. Balkanization of the US of any kind is preferable to the current concentration of power, regardless of how it ends up.

CW: Abuse

spoilerIt's like a violent, abusive person in a family with kids. Yes, the spouse and kids all leaving and divorcing the abuser will make the abuser even more mad and violent. Too bad, outside enforcement and protection is needed for the family to shut the creep down and the creep needs to be stopped by force. It is necessary to curtail the 1 to free the 5. I don't particularly care about the emotions and internal conflict of the abuser from an outside perspective, that's lower priority than ending the oppression and damage to the rest of the family.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

What makes you think the US wouldn't just launch nukes, killing everyone, if there was a war on US soil?

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