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Image is of legal adviser to Israel's foreign ministry Tal Becker and British jurist Malcolm Shaw at the ICJ hearing.


The ICJ case against Israel might not achieve much for the Palestinian cause directly, given that Israeli politicians have explicitly stated that the Hague will not stop them - and I believe them. The Resistance will be what stops them, and they are doing quite well for themselves. Hezbollah has hit highly sensitive and important Israeli military sites over the last couple weeks, and in general persist in several border attacks every day. The battles in Iraq and Syria also continue. Hamas remains largely intact, and is successfully forcing Israeli forces in the northern Gaza Strip to retreat, and other parts of the Gazan Resistance are continuing to battle down in Khan Yunis. And, last but not least, Yemen is firmly dedicated to the blockade, warding off another ship literally minutes before I started writing this paragraph.

What the ICJ is battling over isn't Palestine and Israel - not really - but the legitimacy of international law itself, and to what degree victimized countries can rely on it to solve problems, versus needing to take more militant routes for justice. In a weird sense, it might be an L for Israel either way. If international law sides with Palestine, then when Israel refuses to stop, it will invalidate international law. If international law sides with Israel, then it will invalidate international law. There is no conceivable way for the West to come out of this looking good.

The South African portion detailing Israeli atrocities against Gaza was largely ignored by the western media. They have instead, obviously, decided to focus on the Israeli portion. Their defense appears to amount to "We didn't do it, Hamas did it. And if we did do it, it doesn't matter, because that's just urban warfare for you. Please get this whole thing thrown out on a very dubious technicality so we don't have to advance to the next stage."

From Craig Murray, who has been physically going to the Hague:

It is important to realise this. Israel is hoping to win on their procedural points about existence of dispute, unilateral assurances and jurisdiction. The obvious nonsense they spoke about the damage to homes and infrastructure being caused by Hamas, trucks entering Gaza and casualty figures, was not serious. They did not expect the judges to believe any of this. The procedural points were for the court. The rest was mass propaganda for the media.

...I am sure the judges want to get out of this and they may go for the procedural points. But there is a real problem with Israel’s “no dispute” argument. If accepted, it would mean that a country committing genocide can simply not reply to a challenge, and then legal action will not be possible because no reply means “no dispute”. I hope that absurdity is obvious to the judges. But they may of course wish not to notice it…

What do I think will happen? Some sort of “compromise”. The judges will issue provisional measures different to South Africa’s request, asking Israel to continue to take measures to protect the civilian population, or some such guff. Doubtless the State Department have drafted something like this for President of the court Donoghoe already.

I hope I am wrong. I would hate to give up on international law. One thing I do know for certain. These two days in the Hague were absolutely crucial for deciding if there is any meaning left in notions of international law and human rights. I still believe action by the court could cause the US and UK to back off and provide some measure of relief. For now, let us all pray or wish, each in our way, for the children of Gaza.


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[-] Tervell@hexbear.net 94 points 10 months ago

twitter thread

I just got back from Ukraine, where I was visiting some friends. Everything we have heard about what’s happening in Ukraine is a lie. The reality is darker, bleaker, and unequivocally hopeless. There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war.

  • By their estimates, they have lost over one million of their sons, fathers and husbands; an entire generation is gone.

Nazis and destroying the demographics of their own people, name a better duo

  • Even in the Southwest, where the anti-Russian sentiment is long-standing, citizens are reluctant or straight-up scared to publicly criticize Zelensky; they will go to jail.
  • In every village and town, the streets, shops, and restaurants are mostly absent of men.
  • The few men who remain are terrified of leaving their homes for fear of being kidnapped into conscription. Some have resorted to begging friends to break their legs to avoid service.
  • Army search parties take place early in the morning, when men leave their homes to go to work. They ambush and kidnap them off the streets and within 3-4 hours they get listed in the army and taken away straight to the front lines with minimal or no training at all; it is "a death sentence."
  • It's getting worse every day. Where I was staying, a dentist had just been taken by security forces on his way to work, leaving behind two small children. Every day, 3-5 dead bodies keep arriving from the front lines.
  • Mothers and wives fight tooth and nail with the armed forces, beg and plead not to have their men taken away. They try bribing, which sometimes works, but most of the time they are met with physical violence and death threats.
  • The territory celebrated as having been "won back" from Russia has been reduced to rubble and is uninhabitable. Regardless, there is no one left to live there and displaced families will likely never return.
  • They see the way the war has been reported, at home and abroad. It's a "joke" and "propaganda." They say: “Look around: is this winning?”.
  • Worse, some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.

There is no ambiguity in these people. The war was for nothing - a travesty. The outcome always was, and is, clear. The people are hopeless, utterly destroyed, and living in an unending nightmare. They are pleading for an end, any end - most likely the same "peace" that could have been achieved two years ago. In their minds, they have already lost, for their sons, fathers and husbands are gone, and their country has been destroyed. There is no "victory" that can change that.

Except the peace offer then (see under the The Objectives and Strategy of Russia section) was incredibly favorable for Ukraine (and naive on Russia's part), basically just security guarantees and no NATO membership, without any territorial changes. That ain't happening anymore.

Make no mistake, they are angry with Putin. But they are also angry with Zelensky and the West. They have lost everything, worst of all, hope and faith, and cannot comprehend why Zelenky wishes to continue the current trajectory, the one of human devastation. I didn't witness the war; but what I saw was absolutely heart-breaking. Shame on the people, regardless of their intentions, who have supported this war. And shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.

agony-deep

also lmao at the fucking community note

nerd um actually the US says that only a few Ukrainians have died (based on propaganda fed to them by the Ukrainians)

[-] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 55 points 10 months ago

NAFOs on Twitter confident that they know the situation better because they read about it on Reddit

[-] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

seriously each of these nafo fuckers needs to off themselves (i'm sorry and can NSFW this if needed). But fuck. These 'heckin reddit army zelensky is a mcu hero' fucks have blood on their hands.

shit is just a game to them and now that the war has gotten 'boring' they're off to a new toy.

i just logged into my lemmy.ml account i created to troll the lemmyworld fucks and none of them have logged on in the last 6 months since the ukranian counteroffensive. now that the war is 'boring' they've moved on. FUCK THEM

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago

Just once, it would be nice to be vindicated without all the misery required for libs to realize we’ve been telling them the truth.

[-] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Many (most) Won't even reflect long enough to realize how profoundly wrong they were, or at least not enough to prevent them from doing it again in another 10-15 years.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago

Western liberals aren’t even gonna pay Nazis to kill Ukrainian dissidents. They’ll just do it themselves for betraying Zelensky

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Cult of Bandera vs. Cult of Zelensky is like a reproduction of U.S. national "party" politics. LOL. They don't exactly oppose each other, and they'll slaughter each other for failure to nationalism hard enough. Similar aesthetics to elephants vs. donkeys, too.

[-] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

I don't doubt that the situation in Ukraine is bleak but this is a random twitter post making some pretty big claims. Who is "by their estimates"? The estimates of the aforementioned friends? How would they know? Did they count?

1 million dead would be 2% of the entire population of Ukraine. "Scared to publicly criticize Zelensky because they might be arrested" and "Army search parties nab random men off the streets and ship them directly to the frontlines with no training" sounds like some Yeonmi Park shit.

I agree with the core of the message, "Ukraine is losing, the West is coping and Ukrainians just want the war to end" but this post makes it sound like Ukraine is doing Enemy At The Gates.

[-] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

Army search parties nab random men off the streets and ship them directly to the frontlines with no training

I can't confirm how much training they receive but I absolutely have seen UA soldiers carrying men off into vans with heavy protest from both the guy being taken away and from bystanders

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

"Army search parties nab random men off the streets and ship them directly to the frontlines with no training" sounds like some Yeonmi Park shit.

Western and Ukrainian news have reported this for a few years now. And liberals usually support this, saying that the men shouldn’t have dodged the draft in the first place and that a Russian victory is worse than beating or two.

I don’t know anything about people getting arrested for criticizing Zelensky, but they’re definitely being kidnapped in the streets.

[-] BovineUniversity@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

OP is uber chuddy too, praising people like Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk. Definitely take her post with a heap of salt.

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