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[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The leader of the movement admitting to massacring peasants and saying it was good and he would do it again does in fact repudiate his entire ideological strain that he invented

[-] TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

source? cuz others in this thread say thats a misinterpretation of the facts, like the dude gave a non-apology apparently more than it was condoned but idk

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

http://www.redsun.org/pcp_doc/pcp_0788.htm

Here is an interview where Gonzalo just outright states he murdered ~70 indigenous men, women and children in Lucanamarca village and called it “revolutionary excess”.

Of those killed by the Shining Path, eighteen were children, the youngest of whom was only six months old. Also killed were eleven women.

Why does he openly defend killing 29 indigenous women and child peasants as a good tactic? Like what the fuck?

In the face of reactionary military actions and the use of mesnadas, we responded with a devastating action: Lucanamarca. Neither they nor we have forgotten it, to be sure, because they got an answer that they didn't imagine possible. More than 80 were annihilated, that is the truth. And we say openly that there were excesses, as was analyzed in 1983. But everything in life has two aspects. Our task was to deal a devastating blow in order to put them in check, to make them understand that it was not going to be so easy. On some occasions, like that one, it was the Central Leadership itself that planned the action and gave instructions. That's how it was. In that case, the principal thing is that we dealt them a devastating blow, and we checked them and they understood that they were dealing with a different kind of people's fighters, that we weren't the same as those they had fought before. This is what they understood. The excesses are the negative aspect.

He’s talking about slaughtering peasant children to deal a “devastating blow”

[-] boboblaw@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Of those killed by the Shining Path, eighteen were children, the youngest of whom was only six months old.

You got a source for this part?

The interview doesn't seem quite as damning as you're making it out to be. He seems to be saying they dealt a devastating blow to the mesnadas.(which are supposedly government-run paramilitaries?)

He claims the army came in and

formed armed groups, called mesnadas

right before he says

In the face of reactionary military actions and the use of mesnadas, we responded with a devastating action

So he doesn't appear to be saying they murdered a bunch of unarmed peasants, he's saying they attacked an armed paramilitary group.

we weren't the same as those they had fought before

This also doesn't suggest unarmed peasants.

I'm not saying he's telling the truth, or that they didn't kill any innocent people. It's just far from him openly admitting they killed babies.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He seems to be saying they dealt a devastating blow to the mesnadas.

He did this by killing 29 women and children in an unrelated village? This is open revenge killing of the poorest and most oppressed in society. shameful to defend this shit. The reports actually have 69 deaths whereas Gonzalo claims 80. Basically half of the deaths were kids and random civilians? This is not how the Bolsheviks fought their revolution, nor the Chinese Communists. They didn't kill peasant children purposefully and include them in their "kill count" they "annihilated". This is bloodthirsty mania, out of control, aimed downward not at the rich.