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Title is a reference to Resistance imagery about how Israeli soldiers will enter Gaza alive but leave it in coffins - the same is true for American soldiers in the Middle East if the regional war expands.

The image is of the Fattah-1 Iranian hypersonic ballistic missile, which its creators boast can overcome any missile defense system on the planet, has a range of 1400 kilometers (and thus Iran can strike Israel), and has a terminal impact velocity of Mach 13.


Dozens of American soldiers have been injured and 3 have been killed on a base in the Middle East. There has been confused reports about whether the attack was on Syrian territory or Jordan's - the Al-Tanf base is in Syria, but Tower-22 in Jordan is another base that helps supply Al-Tanf, and Tower-22 is the one that is alleged to have been hit. These is the first confirmed deaths of American troops since the conflict began, though it's not likely that this is actually the first deaths after hundreds of drone/missile strikes throughout the region on American bases, unless you think American soldiers are having extremely timely heart attacks just after a missile hits.

The attack is certainly impactful, though it does also have considerably symbolism. Courtesy of John Helmer:

The operational success of the strike for the attackers is strategic. Tower-22 is a logistics, supply, and rear guard post for the Al-Tanf base which US troops are operating thirty kilometres north across the border in Syria. The attack demonstrates that both Tower-22 and Al-Tanf, Jordan and Syria, are newly vulnerable to weapons which the US forces have failed to detect and neutralize. Just as significantly, the massive US airbase called Muwaffaq Salti, 230 kilometres west across Jordan, is also vulnerable now.

It indicates that Iran now possesses Russian expertise in countering American equipment:

“This is a significant accomplishment,” one of the sources said. “Was the bypassing of the US air defence system at Tower-22 pulled off with Russian assistance? US bases generally rely on the C-RAM [Counter Rocket, Artillery and Mortar] system. It was sent to Ukraine last year where the Russians have been learning to defeat it. What now of American EW [electronic warfare]? They’ve been doing a fair job of knocking drones down up to now. It seems a ‘coincidence’ that, not a week after the meetings in Moscow with Arabs and Iranians, we see this success. It’s a success the circumstances of which, we can be sure, Biden and Austin are not keen to advertise.”

I am putting my take on the table right now: I am 99% certain that the US won't attack Iran directly. I think we are still quite a while away from that being a possibility. Much more likely is that Iranian officials in Iraq or Syria will be hit by a retaliatory strike, as Israel has done recently. It is a significant escalation nonetheless. And it comes as Israel seems to be gearing up for a suicidal war with Hezbollah.


The Country of the Week is Iran! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.

Updates continue to be AWOL - but I am cooking something. Hopefully.

The bulletins site is here!
The RSS feed is here.
Last week's thread is here.

Israel-Palestine Conflict

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful. Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Afterthought_C@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

@Evilphd666@hexbear.net

I'm replying to your comment here because I can't see your original comment from my instance.

I feel that the state of queer rights is actually getting worse and that Singapore as a whole is getting more reactionary. The stuff below are what got me to this conclusion.

cw for homophobia, transphobia and ableism2021

Someone made a post on reddit identifying herself as trans student (she/ her pronouns). She was barred from transitioning and that her principal told her ‘due to your presentation, you would be as disruptive to the school environment as a student with severe autism’. link

2022: I felt that Singapore's anti-LGBTQ community got more active and aggressive in this year.

There was a school counselor who hijacked a sex ed to spread homophobic stuff. After the incident the counselor was barred from teaching sex ed. Explanation they gave was that the counselor showed un-vetted material with no acknowledgement of the homophobia. link

Then there was this protect Singapore/ families townhall organised by Jason Wong (he seems to be super-active in anti-LGBTQ movements). Police did not consider this hate speech. link

While it's true that Section 377A was repealed in 2022, at the same time the constitution was changed to define marriage as between man and woman, completely invalidating the reason people wanted it removed. link

Around this time the Singapore politicians were whining about protecting homophobes from cancel culture. Yup. The type of stuff you expect from anti-PC comedians in the US or kid's show writers in Japan is parroted unironically by local politicians. Instead of changing themselves they accuse LGBTQ for taking away their citizens. It's pathetic and scary in the same way an incel school shooter is.

Also Singapore has been infiltrated by a lot of anti-LGBTQ talking heads from foreign countries. This is one article on transphobic foreign interferance

The book 'The Aware Saga: Civil Society and Public Morality in Singapore' also has information on how the christian right managed to ban official sex ed from ever being able to acknowledge or properly educate on gender and sexual minorities.

They constantly call LGBTQ foreign interference yet allow anti-LGBTQ talking heads into the country.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

The work continues. Even if we get some solid wins it's always fights against the lies. It's like they only know one playbook. Thank you for the info and the links. Care-Comrade Read them all.

Hopefully wiser leaders can prevail through the tired repeated junk. They know visibility kills lies and they are doing their best to try to put the queers back in the closet. It is going to require some bravery - especially in the trans community to be public.

There's a phrase we used before and I think it needs to make more of a come back.

"We're here. We're queer. Get used to it." So to the haters I'd say bridget-pride-stay-mad

[-] Neptium@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm responding here to your reply in the other thread for better visibility for others to read. I wrote most of this before blahs comment.

Here’s the thing yes I’m an anglo so I really don’t care about “respecting” discrimatory elders or non elders for that matter.

You don't respect our culture or our right to self-determination. Why should I listen to a chauvinist?

The language thing is a holdover of colonialism, as are the discrimatory laws. Singapore being a major trading hub has people and cultures of like a dozen Asian countries over there. My comment was about queer rights not the langauge. I’d imagine it is convenience having a common language to speak and the nature of the nation being an international trading hub and finance center. Malaysia has it’s own human rights issues. .

But you are not connecting what I am saying to the wider sociopolitical context of Singapore and Southeast Asia. In my OC I didn't mention anything about queer rights either. My point is that you can't insult the old people when they are more materially more progressive than the so-called "youth" by rejecting Western imperialism and I try explaining why through Singapore's language policy. It is not black and white and I refuse to stoop to the Amerikan analysis of the "liberal-conservative" dichotomy.

Also, why are we utilizing Amnesty International as a source when it has been repeatedly shown to be aligned with US imperialism? This was what I was referring to in the first place. Malaysia is said to be backwards compared to Singapore and yet it's language policy is infinitely more progressive than Singapore. I am trying to explain the complexities that makeup Singapore-Malaysia relations and history, which I think is essential in understanding both nation's modern politics.

A nation under threat or percieved threat will shore up their religous base in nationalist conviction and reduce rights. A nation not under threat or percieved threat tends to expand rights in relative safety. Singapore is not under threat or percieved threat and you see less crackdown on minorities and expansion of rights.

Singapore does see itself under threat. Its whole existence is being the West’s glorified military base and tax haven. It is a small island city-state with a Chinese majority surrounded by large Muslim-Majority states that is more anti-West and Pro-China than itself. The anglophile national bourgeoisie is threatened.

The nation betrayed the internationalist cause and decided to build it’s own city state (by negotiating with the Malay comprador feudal class) and ensured it's viability towards that goal by making English the main language. It was a part motivated by practicality, but also part motivated by this reason, which all fits into the comprador class' interests and not the masses.

It denied its own “Asianess” for a Singaporean identity. Singapore as a country is proud that it was colonised.

Because of this selfish nation-building, it has created a rift in Singaporean society in which it superficially upholds it’s Asian heritage while aligning itself with the West throughout the Cold War and afterwards.

It is this rift that the West exploits for its own gain. Now it has to deal with the repercussions of its internationalist betrayal, with the people down below caught in the crossfire.

It is up to the masses to correct this historical wrong.

As even with all the anti foreign laws in attempt to degrade the movement, Singaporians showed up in support.

According to Ipsos, support FOR Section 377A is still a plurality and only 27% believe same-sex couples should be allowed to marry (which is not the be end and end all of LGBT liberation in the first place...).

Pink Dot SG has done it’s job for destabilisation. So much for liberal activism that can never reach broad, mass support and consensus.

If Pink Dot SG was truly grassroots, it wouldn’t ever have approached nor accepted sponsors from Western corporates. If they were grassroots someone would have definitely told them that corporate sponsorships would have been perceived negatively.

So even if they were able to rally local sponsors afterwards, this issue showcases a complete disconnect of the NGO from the masses themselves. And they were forced to find local sponsors - the government banned foreign corporate sponsorships of events in the Speaker's Corner after this whole fiasco happened in 2016.

What kind of impact would that be for Asia as a whole if a major economic center in Asia is to progress on this end?

You rightfully point out that Singapore is and continues to be an essential part in the imperialist machine.

And so here’s where I disagree - even if Singapore became a Queer paradise, it won’t have any effect on LGBT “rights” across Southeast Asia at best and if anything, it may actually actively harm LGBT “rights” elsewhere.

Southeast Asians themselves know about the westernised, “cosmopolitan” comprador city-state of Singapore. A championing of “lgbt rights” in Singapore will actively antagonise LGBT rights as a Western plot AGAIN - and they would be right (see my other comment).

You keep mentioning Section 377A, and of course for a postcolonial country that never actually had a war of independence, the laws in the country would be colonial in origin.

To say that this law is the origin of “queer”phobia and by abolishing it will automatically improve the quality of life of queer Singaporeans and those abroad is incredibly naive. They will continue funding anti-LGBT outlets abroad. Just like how the USA funds both anti-LGBT and pro-LGBT organisations depending on circumstance.

They weren’t aiming to do a regime change

You underestimate USA psychological warfare. Regime change agent cells are activated when the time is right. We all know that just because you are an ally of the USA that doesn’t mean you are exempt from their intelligence services. It is precisely before light is cast onto the Empire’s enemies that we should be more vigilant about the information we read about them.

And you yourself admit that Singapore, despite it's history, will drift eastwards - one of the West’s darlings - drifting back to Asia. So I am doubly confused why you’d think that the USA wouldn’t fund anything or conduct psychological warfare as a means of destabilisation and control.

The US especially has an extensive history of operations in Southeast Asia. Lee Kuan Yew himself admitted that the CIA tried bribing him.

As for the hyperlink, it links to a sci-hub.ru page of the journal article. On my end I don’t see any request for a passcode.

[-] Neptium@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 9 months ago

Read this response first if you want full context.

Before I start, I want to preface this by saying that even though it may not be obvious to foreign observers, believe me when I say that the rhetorics and contentions you all have has already been extensively discussed and debated by anti-imperialists in the Global South. It may not be in English, it may not be available in neat and easily read blogs, essays and articles, but it has been discussed and taken into account.

Have a little faith in the Global South, okay?

Starting with the first article, it's a reddit post. I am not bothered enough to even begin to engage with that. It's reddit.

Second article - okay so some random guy swooped in and said some wrong things about sexuality and got barred as a result.

To chalk this incident up to the actions of one rogue counsellor ignores systemic issues of inadequate sexuality education, the group [Pink Dot SG] added.

Okay so no one here denies discrimination exists and sex education is lacking. What I am against is the use of this unforunate circumstance for psyops and NGO infiltration. We don't need an NGO to say that we lack good sex education policy.

Third article - that is all completely true.

Fourth article - random culture war bullshit that was imported into Singapore by the West in which the article itself notes that the chances of any law proposal coming into fruition amounting to zero.

Fifth article - this is where it gets more serious and has some interesting stuff I want to highlight.

Firstly let's talk about the website. "Express your heckin’ LGBTQ+ identity." Ok some random company that profits off LGBT suffering by selling LGBT themed pins and apparrel and then funnels it into some other LGBT NGOs (more on this below). Yeah, seems about right.

I can talk a lot about the individualization, commodification and liberalization of "LGBTQ+" "identity" and it's harmful impact on Global South gender and sexual diversity but I'll not mention it here so it doesn't lead to an essay.

On the article itself :

First few paragraphs, nothing of use, just the event that the first article covered and a high school level statistics course I guess.

It then discredits some pop science transphobic authors which I agree with.

The article mention two authors which is supposed to indict Singapore's LGBTphobia because they were invited into a webinar?? Ok so some people thought these frauds had something valuable to say, doesn't really signify much about the quality of life of LGBT people in Singapore.

And then it tries to scaremonger about “misinformation”. Hmm where have I heard this term before? Oh right, western liberal circles.

The article is very liberal because it reeks of the short-term sightedness present in all liberals, whether Amerikan or their comprador counterparts. We have been suffering with "misinformation" for 500 years under colonization and imperialism.

I do not care about the article's scaremongering and pathetic elaboration on "muh SCIENCE!!!!". The East doesn’t really treat Science as some sort of sanctimonious and immutable ideology to bully others for wrongthink. That's why traditional medicines still exist.

The normalisation of misinformation — including fake news and fake science — can have destabilising effects on society. We’ve seen this happen in the US with the Trump administration — fake information about the pandemic led to a weak response and loss of public trust in healthcare institutions, and made the US the country with the highest COVID-19 death rates among advanced nations.

And the article’s whole tangent on vaccines misunderstands the entirety of the US situation aswell. Perhaps the history of colonized people and US culture where large vaccination drives, quarantines and mask-wearing cultures isn't the norm may lead to many Yankees resisting when the government forces people to do it. It is not just evil Trump ignoring ScienceTM.

In the section about Quentin Van Meter, this paragarph stood out to me:

Local transgender support organisation TransgenderSG has compiled a useful and robust list of corrections to the fake science shared by Quentin Van Meter during his webinar. We recommend reading it to understand the full scope of corrections.

Ok that's an interesting NGO I never heard of before. Let's look at their website.

So a random website made by some volunteers. Seems innocent enough.

Then I look at their collaborations.

On the first home page:

17 March 2021: Read the press release on the Universal Periodic Review report that we co-submitted with Sayoni and the Asia Pacific Transgender Network.

Ah the infamous Asian Pacific Transgender Network.

Some of their sponsors include the Robert Carr Fund and the Global Equality Fund.

Robert Carr Fund gets its money from:

I searched the Global Equality Fund and found it on www.state.gov of all places. Oh very nice.

It's nice that Google also funds APTN to really drive home that the US is a dictatorship of Capital.

The rest of these orgs:

TheProjectX - an NGO that wants to legalize sex work lol. No further comment.

The T Project:

The founder and director "participated in the U.S Department of State's International Visitor Leadership programme in 2018" and also "ILGA-Asia", oh you mean the sister branch of ILGA-Europe. (ILGA-Asia suspciously does not list any source of their funding...)

and ILGA World

Their Co-Secretary General: "Mexican Microfinance Institutions" (LOL), "MacArthur Foundation", "EXXON MOBIL" <-- now that's funnier.

Their other Co-Sec General: "Global Interfaith Network on Sex, Sexual Orientation, Gender Identity and Expression (former Co-Chair)" the org in which has funding from:

Oogachaga has this to say about their own website:

Yes, the NGO is sponsored by the High Commission of Canada and is transparent about it.

The jokes write themselves. It's like a russian nesting doll of NGO and Western fuckery.

The book ‘The Aware Saga: Civil Society and Public Morality in Singapore’ also has information on how the christian right managed to ban official sex ed from ever being able to acknowledge or properly educate on gender and sexual minorities.

Sex education is an important issue that gets hijacked by "civil society" that politicizes and polarises the people. I have not read the book and it's use of "civil society" in the title discourages me from ever touching it.

They constantly call LGBTQ foreign interference yet allow anti-LGBTQ talking heads into the country.

I'm sorry that Singapore isn't an Orientalist Authoritarian Despotic State that will restrict anyone from entering if they are speaking anything that someone else would disagree with. (And this isn't even the case - it's just a random online webinar.)

It is argued that anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric is entirely imported (which I agree) but seemingly when I say that pro-LGBTQ+ rhetoric also comes from the West it is somehow belittled.

I expect that for the comprador liberals who doesn't even know about their own colonial history but I am a bit dejected that this same rhetoric is also conveyed in an "anti-imperialist" site.

Perhaps it is a means to divide the people and cause instability like I said in my previous comments? So yes, I will call it western cultural imperialism when Christian sodomy laws were enacted that restricted Global South cultures to the Eurocentric gender binary but I will also call it western cultural imperialism when these liberal NGOs faff about “queer theory”, "intersectionality" and “lgbtqia+ rights”,.

This is because it all inevitably came from European Enlightenment epistemology (which itself stems from Western Philosophy), reeking with self-centered individiualism that can not facilitate and forment lasting gender and sexual liberation.

We survived 500 years of onslaught and invasion. We will develop our own path to liberation.

I recognise that life is, perhaps, awful, but that won’t make me give colonizers an inch when they WILL take the whole mile.

I wrote these two long effortposts with the acknowledgement that it may just be disregarded as a slight of hand and all my time invested here may just be wasted. But I'll say this: this perspective I am saying right now isn't fringe. It may not be directly structured into the sentences I formulated in these two posts, but it is more common than you think. I'm going to take a long break after this. This has exhausted me.

[-] Al_Sham@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago

xi-clap

Excellent materialist investigation and insights. Thank you for your efforts its exhausting combating orientalism and Western paternalism.

[-] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Ok, so, I might be dumb, but what are these NGO’s actually doing that causes material harm? I can see they’re being sponsored by big companies but how are they hurting people? They just seem like generic tax dump off sites that make people look good when they put 0.1% of their income in it

It is argued that anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric is entirely imported (which I agree) but seemingly when I say that pro-LGBTQ+ rhetoric also comes from the West it is somehow belittled.

If both are imported than the one that nullifies the other (pro) should be supported

scare quotes around “LGBTQ+”

pigmask-off

How does it hurt you to support gay people? Why is complaining about someone else’s treatment of gay people negatively affecting the working class in Singapore?

[-] Neptium@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 9 months ago

If I recall correctly @Al_Sham@hexbear.net has linked an Arabic article on the role of civil societies for regime change in Lebanon. I can’t find it. It may prove to be helpful for you.

Onto my response, the material harm NGOs cause to people are two-fold.

On a societal level, they aim to circumvent and build alternative structures to the current government and thus without the “democratic accountability” that these governments have to face (even if they are bourgeois dictatorships, they still have to manage the contradictions within society to remain in power). This can be seen in many colour revolutions that have occurred the past 50 years.

They also introduce and import foreign concepts, what I call “academic lib phraseology”, without the democratic consultation and “diffusion” to the masses. The masses here aren’t dumb when they realise that these NGO liberals speak the same as any other NGO liberal in other countries or those in the West. This is not a coincidence.

On a local level, despite their claim to the contrary, they actually maintain and sustain the oppression of LGBT people. Since they do not address the material basis of the oppression and are funded by foreign elements, their only justification and purpose for existing IS the existence of the oppression of LGBT people in the targeted Global South country.

Why would an LGBT rights NGO founder want to achieve LGBT liberation? The founder would lose their only source of income and their entire career!

This is similar to when the labour aristocrats in a trade union stops representing the interests of the rank-and-file.

This also means that the NGOs feature the worst of the liberal activists, who are often groomed by the West in the first place through their scholarship programmes. They are filled with opportunists and careerists, because to them, civil society is their way of climbing the corporate ladder and for their “professional development”.

“LGBT” is in scare quotes because it is a foreign concept that has not gone “indigenization” or like I said before, “democratic consultation of the masses”. You may be surprised to find how many people reject the LGBT label because they recognise that this fundamental process has not occurred and perhaps may never occur if the West keeps interfering.

How does it hurt you to support gay people?

I hope my exposition here helps understand why I am hesitant in using “LGBT” uncritically.

And truthfully, gay people will not be affected if I claim to support them (or not support them) because I have only spewed words on a public forum. There needs to be action with theory - like you yourself recognise.

It doesn’t phase me in particular if you repeat these narratives and say you support gay and/or LGBT people. If you want to believe that I am a homophobe and transphobe that has a personal vendetta against LGBT people, believe away. If you only want to understand a country through Western opinion polls and what liberal Western-funded NGOs tell you, I can’t stop you.

But please don’t act surprised when anti-imperialists in the Global South reject this assertion.

[-] Al_Sham@hexbear.net 2 points 9 months ago

Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar has a whole section on this but these article is a good start.

https://al-akhbar.com/Politics/327588/ذخائر-الحرب-الناعمة-الأخبار-تنشر-بيانات-ووثائق-التمويل-الغربي-للمنظمات-غير-الحكومي

https://al-akhbar.com/Politics/327901/

Soft War tag مقاتلو الحرب الناعمة https://al-akhbar.com/Keyword/11347

Unfortunately this is one of the many "forbidden topics" in English "left" internet 🤷‍♀️

Watch how quickly otherwise reasonable people start sharing Radio Free Asia/Europe and NED resources and Soros and Ford Foundations as "facts" the moment the topic arises...

[-] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’m definitely willing to buy NGO’s being bad, but LGBTQIA+ activism isn’t even remotely comparable to ideologies that have been brought over by colonialism or whatever. As you’ve stated these organizations have an active material interest in not supporting LGBTQIA+ interests, which implies that, unlike the majority of ideas imported from the West or as part of imperialism, there isn’t any active violence being used to force people to participate in it. It seems unlikely to me that there would be roving bands of white people killing in the name of gay rights, or “schools” being instated to force gay rights on people.

So it not having undergone “indigenization” is seemingly irrelevant. It’s silly and absurd to reject it on those lines, like rejecting germ theory because you first found out about it from a white person level silly.

Also, at risk of coming across as a “no true Scotsman”, any actual queer or LGBTQIA+ theory would account for different conceptions of gender locally.

So yes, this seems pretty homophobic. Also…

truthfully, gay people will not be affected if I claim to support them (or not support them) because I have only spewed words on a public forum. There needs to be action with theory - like you yourself recognise.

Ok, few things:

  1. Homophobia is also a massive cultural issue, in this case, spreading homophobic rhetoric (and “LGBTQ+ is western invention” IS homophobic rhetoric) is active praxis in the wrong direction.
  2. If you reject the premise of the first point, then that leads us to the direct inverse conclusion being an issue as well (yes I know nerd shit, sorry): What, materially, would someone be doing wrong by saying they dislike the lack of queer rights (in a country they otherwise support, even!) on an online forum? Surely that needs praxis and not just words, too. Why does the responsibility to police one’s words apply to gay people but not to people complaining about gay ideas being “imported” in other countries? Seems like oppression Olympics to me.
  3. In a similar vein to Marx being a writer from a Western country, most queer theory is pretty equivocally correct, even if it’s from Western countries. It is silly to say that this theory suddenly loses it’s value because Western interests have appropriated it. Western “Marxists” appropriate Marxism too, but we never say Marxism is valueless to other countries because of that.

Finally,

Before I start, I want to preface this by saying that even though it may not be obvious to foreign observers, believe me when I say that the rhetorics and contentions you all have has already been extensively discussed and debated by anti-imperialists in the Global South. It may not be in English, it may not be available in neat and easily read blogs, essays and articles, but it has been discussed and taken into account.

Have a little faith in the Global South, okay

In no circumstance do I reject this. I do, however, reject the idea that you entirely represent all discussion that has been had there, because not only does queer Marxist theory exist that has been written by non-white, non-Western people (how absurd and racist is it to even suggest otherwise?) but it is extremely unlikely to me that some random internet person could even remotely convey all of the arguments and ideas that an entire diverse and inclusive community has had (I do not mean this offensively- I am also a random internet person). Are you gay or queer in any way? This statement makes me curious about your experience with queer culture. I’m willing to believe that I am lacking a lot of information as a Western person, but the way you approach this conversation communicates to me that you are missing some experience in queer theory and ideas as well.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago

Thanks for the effort post, that was informative!

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-- If you are citing a twitter post as news please include not just the twitter.com in your links but also nitter.net (or another Nitter instance). There is also a Firefox extension that can redirect Twitter links to a Nitter instance: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/libredirect/ or archive them as you would any other reactionary source using e.g. https://archive.today . Twitter screenshots still need to be sourced or they will be removed --

-- Mass tagging comm moderators across multiple posts like a broken markov chain bot will result in a comm ban--

-- Repeated consecutive posting of reactionary sources, fake news, misleading / outdated news, false alarms over ghoul deaths, and/or shitposts will result in a comm ban.--

-- Neglecting to use content warnings or NSFW when dealing with disturbing content will be removed until in compliance. Users who are consecutively reported due to failing to use content warnings or NSFW tags when commenting on or posting disturbing content will result in the user being banned. --

-- Using April 1st as an excuse to post fake headlines, like the resurrection of Kissinger while he is still fortunately dead, will result in the poster being thrown in the gamer gulag and be sentenced to play and beat trashy mobile games like 'Raid: Shadow Legends' in order to be rehabilitated back into general society. --

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