Time: Ukraine Can't Win the War (time.com)

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[-] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 50 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Could a told you that 2 years ago when Boris Johnson sabotaged the peace talks so his masters in DC could benefit from Russia remaining at war.

EDIT: I guess I don't understand completely Lemmy, because some lib is calling me a Russian troll under this comment and I can't see it unless I go to the original/non-hexbear post.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Unfortunately many LIB stances cowardly defederate from hexbear, so you can’t see their comments.

[-] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago

Oh yeah, I knew about that part but I think I assumed the defederation would stop all visibility in both directions, and I guess they can see us but are hiding from us, like, as you say, cowards.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They can talk about you behind your back, though I doubt they’re usually aware they’re doing it. Most people don’t know the gory details of federation and don’t pay much attention to which instances are defederated from which.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 months ago

The staggering scale of devastation that ensued when the West shut down diplomatic talks between Russia and Ukraine in March 2022 is truly mind-boggling. Thousands perished, countless others were injured or disfigured, while millions more had their futures irrevocably altered by this turn of events. This atrocious act ranks as one of the more egregious crimes against humanity in recent history.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 18 points 8 months ago

I guess I don't understand completely Lemmy, because some lib is calling me a Russian troll under this comment and I can't see it unless I go to the original/non-hexbear post

I think that was common on Reddit, too.

It usually means they replied and blocked you, or deleted their comment later. (Or it got deleted by a mod)

It's people who have the mentality that the last word wins the argument, especially since anyone else who reads the comment chain would think you had nothing to say in response.

[-] Hathaway@lemmy.zip 8 points 8 months ago

Just for a little bit of nuance, and I don’t tend to see eye to eye with .Hexbesr users but I swear I’m not here just to fight, but, as far as I’m aware, Zelensky can’t negotiate peace if there’s a concession of land. It’s in their government somewhere. He’d need the Ukrainian people to vote for and pass such a thing. Which, I don’t see happening. So perpetual war is what we get for a while I guess. Lovely.

[-] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago

I would love to see a source for this. Even if this is true, it's probably possible to circumvent regulations like this during war time. If elections can be suspended, opposition political parties can be banned then this is like possible as well.

[-] Hathaway@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Here’s their constitution any peace deal must be ratified by the people.

Which, I’m not going to say there isn’t going to be eventual concessions, those people aren’t going to vote to become a Russian state for a long time. Too much division. There are legitimate Russia supporters and there are a ton of pro-Ukrainian citizens. I don’t see how you do that, with actual democracy, for quite some time. Someone has to start losing fairly decisively sadly. I don’t see that happening for a while. A lot of people are going to die yet.

Edit: article 156 more specifically as changing borders requires a constitutional change which requires the people to pass.