Time: Ukraine Can't Win the War (time.com)

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[-] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 50 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Could a told you that 2 years ago when Boris Johnson sabotaged the peace talks so his masters in DC could benefit from Russia remaining at war.

EDIT: I guess I don't understand completely Lemmy, because some lib is calling me a Russian troll under this comment and I can't see it unless I go to the original/non-hexbear post.

[-] Hathaway@lemmy.zip 8 points 9 months ago

Just for a little bit of nuance, and I don’t tend to see eye to eye with .Hexbesr users but I swear I’m not here just to fight, but, as far as I’m aware, Zelensky can’t negotiate peace if there’s a concession of land. It’s in their government somewhere. He’d need the Ukrainian people to vote for and pass such a thing. Which, I don’t see happening. So perpetual war is what we get for a while I guess. Lovely.

[-] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago

I would love to see a source for this. Even if this is true, it's probably possible to circumvent regulations like this during war time. If elections can be suspended, opposition political parties can be banned then this is like possible as well.

[-] Hathaway@lemmy.zip 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Here’s their constitution any peace deal must be ratified by the people.

Which, I’m not going to say there isn’t going to be eventual concessions, those people aren’t going to vote to become a Russian state for a long time. Too much division. There are legitimate Russia supporters and there are a ton of pro-Ukrainian citizens. I don’t see how you do that, with actual democracy, for quite some time. Someone has to start losing fairly decisively sadly. I don’t see that happening for a while. A lot of people are going to die yet.

Edit: article 156 more specifically as changing borders requires a constitutional change which requires the people to pass.