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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

The staff won't keep them. What security guard is going to agree to protect Elon Musk after the apocalypse? They'll shoot him in the back and take the keys to the kitchen.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

I mean you say this but our species has a long history of people serving authoritarian monsters. I think you're vastly overestimating humans ability to say this is messed up I should do something about it. Most people just keep their heads down.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Usually because those authoritarians have the power to kill them. Armed guards have the power to kill Elon.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

And how do they have that power? Where does it come from?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

By holding the purse strings (the economy will have collapsed) and by making the laws (which won't exist anymore).

Also, I think you underestimate the loyalty of a paid security staff when they stop getting paid.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

What makes you think they're not being paid anymore? Of course they are. Just the coinage that's changed really.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

What would they be paid with?

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Food, shelter, creature comfort, the last little bit of a civilization that exists, Etc...

Historically speaking that's been enough for a lot of people. A lot of those authoritarian dictators throughout history stayed on a long time. Sure they could have been killed, but that inertia takes over.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

So... all the things they can still have except without Elon ordering them around if they just shoot him?

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Maybe, maybe not. Which has been my point the whole time you'll notice. The inertia. People of historically put up with the crazy ass dictator the whole time. Why? Same reason we I'll put up with nonsense in our daily lives, it's easier. People like stability. Your scenario is just one possibility, but it's by no means a guaranteed possibility.

[-] andxz@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

You're not wrong, necessarily, but I do believe a lot of people would get really violent really fast if some asshole billionaire showed up with threats and a shock collar. Especially if they are armed and trained.

I'd rather take my chances living rough, tbh. I feel like that'd be more stable than living under some nutcase with a button to press.

[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago

Most authoritarian regimes generate revenue that can be distributed among the people who keep the regime going. If you kill the dictator, you would have to take over the operations to keep the money flowing. However, if there's a total breakdown of society, then the dictator has a big treasury, but no income. So the guards have a choice between either getting a small cut of the treasury each month, or killing the dictator/billionaire, and taking all of the treasury for themselves.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

I really don't think very many, if any, people Elon would pay for post-apocalyptic bunker security would be sycophants. Paid security usually isn't. And the type of people who love Elon would not make for good security.

[-] APassenger@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

These things have been thought through. The money may be worthless, but the highly controlled access to food, guns, ammo and medicine would be adequate leverage.

I expect, at some point, a leader would emerge with more cred than, "I started a company, " but they'd need to get permanent access and they'd have the same problem: control, rationing.

All this stuff is just people fantasizing about being smart and solving hard problems. The truest hard problem is we are not meant to live alone or like Morlocks.

There are ways to have a retreat hidden in plain site.

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