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Does anyone else feel this (and, subsequently, the term itself) is mildly racist? Or at least defensive of racist/bigoted statements? Like, if someone said "I could do without [insert race here]," is it unreasonable to hold them accountable? I get this is intended to be about people not letting go of minor nitpicks, but the setup is pretty poor, imo.
Would you mind providing some evidence to back up your claims?
#I am trying to eat breakfast
It depends on the context as always.
Sealioning as genuine trolling is shitty and done in bad faith.
But it is completely fair to call out people and ask them for evidence when they make broad statements that are easily verifiable like "black people are more violent than white people" or "Republicans are just as unfriendly towards poor people as Democrats" Etc.
But yeah, here without the context it's easy to get confused what Sealioning actually is.
It's literally part of the definition that it's in bad faith. Otherwise it isn't sealioning.
Sure, but in this comment the sealion is initially acting in good faith towards by what any standard of the world presented in the comic would be a racist.
Are you sure about that? The first actual request of the sealion is ridiculously overbroad and would be extremely difficult and time-consuming to comply with.
At which point the sealion would doubtlessly respond by either nitpicking one example amongst many or moving the goalposts.
Doesn't seem to me that it was acting in good faith at any point.
Idk bro, you could replace the sealion with that guy who un-racisted all those Klan members and I bet the initial interaction was pretty similar. It gets back on track when the sealion follows him home and all, but I think it would have been a stronger comic if they were talking about other things when the sealion hounds him about a different topic.
Then people who don't know what sealioning is look up what the fuck it's about and it doesn't look the sealion is just practicing active anti-racism.
I'd actually argue the contrary: that it's initially questionable whether or not the sealion is acting in bad faith rather than immediately obvious mirrors real life and as such better illustrates how a sealion differs from an immediately obvious troll.
It's clear from the context of the comic that it's the behavior of such sea mammals that she dislikes rather than anything intrinsic that they don't choose themselves and can't change.
The sealion immediately latching onto a misunderstanding of intent and refusing to let go of it is in fact another way in which the comic effectively illustrates sealioning.
....this is beginning to feel uncomfortably meta..
Yeah, someone here isn't admitting there's a weird racial element to "I just don't like the way all of those types act..." when all you need to say is "yeah it's a little weird" and everyone can move on with things like saying "Yeah, fuck sealions."
It's also not a great look to pretend a direct, ongoing discussion in a specific post is the same as someone following you around social media, pretending ignorance of the topic, and endlessly requesting clarification.
Fine, you win. The racism that you're imagining in spite of the context showing otherwise is totally there and it's a really bad look for me to not just go along with your weird pet theory because you say so.
Happy? Can I eat my breakfast now?
Seems like you're not being honest, but you're clearly not interested in that on this topic.
It seems like you're more interested in pretending to be a victim in a mutual conversation you can end at any time by just not responding.
Yeah, this isn't just someone wanting a reasonable conversation and not getting it. This is the guy on reddit who goes on your profile and follows you around to other subs demanding your reply to a conversation you disengaged with weeks ago.
Racist against whom exactly?
In the comic replace the word "Sea lion" with any minority and the response is fully appropriate (Other than being in their house).
Why would you do that?
um actually if you replace eggs with minorities you can see how you're being pretty racist here
If the comic then had an egg asking "why would you say that?" you'd have a point.
The comic has a sea lion fully capable of speech, and a person saying "I do not like this clearly sentient creature, because they bother me when I say I don't like them as a whole."
seems an extremely oversensitive and overly literal take to me. it's just a comedic way to represent a certain type of irritating persona, for the same meaning the character could as well say she dislikes annoying people and be subsequently annoyed by one across the rest of the panels, but that would be less of a comic
My point is you could change "Sea lion" to any minority, change the sea lion itself to that minority, and the comic does not lose all meaning. It can be interpreted as someone saying "I do not like (group)" and then being harassed by a member of that group while they repeatedly say nothing but "go away". A racist could read this and think "Damn straight, I should be allowed to say I don't like (race) without being harassed for it!"
OK i think i understand you better, but still it seems a long stretch to me. a racist could read this and etc but so what? if he reads fables and decides that the tortoise represents this minority and the hare is that one his outlandish take does not indicate a problem in the original intention
Now replace "sea lion" with "pedophile" or "murderer" and the comic remains the same still!
With "pedophile" or "murderer" the evidence for them having done harm is self evident. In the comic the reasoning for disliking sea lions is not self evident, and the comic could be easily interpreted as "I should be allowed to say I don't like any group I want and not have to defend myself."
Just wanna say thanks for holding the torch here. You pretty much echoed any response I would've made if I'd had the time, but probably better XD Sorry you got the brunt of the hate.
Meh, it's just karma that doesn't even stick your account. Doesn't bother me and provides an alternative point of view.
Personally I don't think the comic did a very good job of demonstrating what "sea lioning" is or why it's a problem. Going by what was presented in the comic this is an example of sea lioning: https://old.reddit.com/r/BoomersBeingFools/comments/1b2egrq/boomer_takes_a_stand_against_crt/
But it's not about minorities and not about characteristics that people were born with and can't change (if they wanted to) about themselves.
I mean it could very easily be (another internet favourite term) a dogwhistle. It's not actually about sea lions...
I don't think that's the case here but it's easy to see their point
In the universe presented in the comic: Sea lions are born sea lions, can't change that, and are sentient to the point of having the capacity for language.
I get your previous point about the language, but now you're just actively trying to spin this into something it isn't.
Like, should we really feel bad for cartoon sealions?
My point isn't we should feel bad for cartoon sea lions, it's that it's not much of a reach for someone to read this and think they are talking about minorities. "Damn right! I should be able to say I don't like (race) without being hassled for it!"
It's a broad defense of prejudice, but naturally people are going to choose the prejudices they like as the legitimate ones.