Just a friendly (depressing) reminder that poverty is a social construct. As a society we say, 'cool' everyday. (hexbear.net)

submitted 8 months ago by Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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We have the ablility to house, feed, educate, clothe, and medically assist everyone. But the money!!

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[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

It's very much real.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

right, "social construct" doesn't mean "imaginary"

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah, and, for example, Marx said that "money" was technically "real" as early as The German Ideology. It wasn't a matter of saying "money is fiat and therefore it doesn't exist!" It was a matter of dealing with the system at the heart of it.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

He iterates this with his belief in god: they’re all real because we said they are and affect our lives and the lives of others rust-darkness

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago

yeah

[-] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago

It doesnt have to be.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago

I'm saying that you can't "pick up a gun tomorrow" in order to topple the whole system and even that requires action and force.

You have to build a movement, build dual power, etc. It's a long process. It's not about everyone just "stopping what they're doing right now."

Idk, maybe I'm being pedantic lmao

[-] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago

I think we're both being doomer. My point is our society has the ability to eradicate poverty; but decides not to. You're saying we cant make that happen currently. I agree.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago

Again, sorry if I come off as pedantic or argumentative.

[-] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago

Good faith conversation is always a win.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

Of course!

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

I should clarify what I'm saying: it's not a problem of "society" (which puts the onus on the average proletarian) but the mode of production and the bourgeois power structure.

I think we will get rid of it eventually.

To me, it's not a matter of if, but when.

But I understand what you're saying and I'm sorry if you're feeling down.

But I think that the situation is not hopeless and so I don't mean to come off as being a "doomer."

[-] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Thank you. Not feeling down; I just think its something I forget to remember and others may benefit from a reminder. It doesnt have to be like this. We can do better. Also yes onus is on the Proletariat