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I think I'm finally understanding what libs mean when they say we can push Biden left (hexbear.net)

submitted 8 months ago by Infamousblt@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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He can't go any further right, so he can't be pushed right. Ergo, he can only be pushed left. Libs owned us yet again oooaaaaaaauhhh

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The whole fucking point of the uncommitted campaign is to leverage our support to force Biden to capitulate to our demands.

You aren't willing to do that. You are committed to Biden and thus undermining the uncommitted campaign, because you're telling Biden that he can do anything he wants and you will support him. You and every Blue No Matter Who like you are responsible for Biden not being responsive to demands from his electoral base until recently. They really thought they couldn't lose enough votes to matter and we can pressure him by making it clear that he is going to lose if he supports genocide. Already he has been moved on this issue and we can move him farther. He should know I'll vote for him if there's a permanent ceasefire, UNRWA funding, and an end to military support for Israel.

That's the viable third option - we force him to capitulate and end the genocide. We can do it. Why are you undermining us?

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago

Biden and the rest of the establishment have no idea how many of those uncommitted votes will or won't vote for Biden in the general, and nothing I say has any effect on that.

Here is the comment I originally responded to:

Also, it’s great because the same people who said we could push him left are now mad because… we are trying to push him left

The only thing I'm saying is that Biden actually has been pushed left, and many of us who think Biden is preferable to Trump are absolutely in favor of continuing to push him left.

This is one of those Internet bubbles you keep hearing about. You folks have your little in-group, and everyone who doesn't line up exactly with the group is an outsider. That's exactly how you convince politicians that you aren't worth paying attention to. My state hasn't voted yet. Maybe I'll vote "uncommitted" like I planned, or maybe I get so fed up with this edgy nonsense that I vote Biden. That's not likely in my case, but this shit does drive people away. You are more concerned with maintaining your edgy rebel status than actually moving public opinion. I think winning on policy would be a disaster in your eyes because you would no longer be special.

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

or maybe I get so fed up with this edgy nonsense that I vote Biden.

"Do what I want or I'll eagerly cosign your genocide next" do you fucking hear yourself cracker

Literally threatening to support genocide because your fragile fucking feelings were hurt, you COLLABORATOR PIECE OF SHIT. I don't believe you were ever going to vote uncommitted from that singular fucking comment alone. You have no bonafides, you have no real beliefs beyond whatever gets you your treats, you are neither Malcolm X's Northern nor Southern dog-- but a new breed; a Midwestern dog. Servile to any genocidal wretch that wags your tail and offers you their table scraps.

You and everybody like you literally sicken me; because if I'm just unlucky and I have to die here, whoever comes next is gonna think I was with you people. Death to your optics, death to Amerika, death to Israel, death to NATO, death to the entire Five-Eyed Empire, until AFRICOM is collapsed, until the global subject-of-empire's chains are broken, until you lose the perch that you've been sitting so goddamn smug on.

[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

You're contradicting yourself.

If this is one of those narrow little internet bubbles that 'you keep hearing about' then the idea that your liberal tone policing bullshit would have a wide impact doesn't even make sense.

And speaking of bubbles, you've created one for yourself in which anything outside of voting against your beliefs and interests while promising not even to speak harshly of the people and things you claim to oppose is impossible and unacceptable. Doesn't seem like there's a lot of options or room for alternatives in your tight little bubble of reality there.

Never mind which, again, most people are not American voters.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, Biden has been pushed by us, that's why he put forward a weak ceasefire resolution at the security council. We did that! That's an accomplishment of the uncommitted movement and the only thing I'm saying is that Biden still has to be pushed farther and that he can be if we stay committed to being uncommitted. It's clearly working and we don't need cynics like you undermining our message with Blue No Matter Whoism. This genocide can be stopped, and the only reason it might fail is because of people like you choosing to put vibes over politics.

I will vote for Biden if he capitulates. That's hardly edgy rebellion, that's just normal politics. We're doing politics. Why does that make you so mad?

If online discourse makes you so mad that you actually vote for genocide in the primaries you need to log off.