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At least Biden still feel the need to pander to the LGBT community and other minorities, which means he can still be made to compromise on certain issues. With Trump it’s straight up fascism.
Just on this reasoning alone, Biden’s got my vote, considering that Trump will still do the genocide anyway, if not worse.
I don’t understand why Hexbears think that voting for Biden means supporting his policies. It is entirely possible to strategically vote to protect the lives of minorities from being endangered. If we can buy 4 more years of time to organize while protecting minority lives, then that’s a bargain I am willing to make, no matter how repulsive Biden’s genocide is to me. I don’t understand the willingness to gamble with accelerationism.
The American electoral system is designed to punish those who do not toe the line, so we’re only going to get punished if we do not at least pretend to “play by the rules”. There is nothing you can do to change that except for a revolution, and until we have the strength and numbers to do so, we have to play by the rules. If Trump wins, then any socialist project is dead in the water.
(Note: I am not American so I can’t actually vote, but you get the point.)
Not a great bit tbh
I mean, if I had been an American, I would vote for Biden. I’m not going to gamble with Trump’s fascistic Plan 2025.
But I’m not American, so it’s not exactly my business, although American foreign policy affects the entire world.
And you think Biden's foreign policy hasn't been a much bigger catastrophe for the world than Trump's was? How can you post so good on economics and MMT and China and then post this kind of liberal dredge?
Three reasons:
One, Trump is a complete wildcard, you can never predict what he’s going to do, for better or for worse. Biden has been consistent with his hostile foreign policy. As Putin has said, we’d rather deal with someone predictable than someone who is not.
Two, it is undeniable that Biden’s domestic policy with regards to LGBT minorities is far better than Trump, not because he is a progressive or anything, but at the moment he still sees the need to pander to them for votes, so he is delaying the atrocities for his own perceived advantage. If the progressive left abandons the Democratic Party, then this will only accelerate the Democratic Party into going mask off and at that point, we’d lose the support of the only major political party in the US that still gives a shit about this, at least on paper.
Also, as I have said, I don’t think anyone should gamble with Trump’s fascistic Plan 2025.
Three, I don’t believe in electoralism, in that the voting base has no say in meaningfully changing the platform of either party. Not voting for the Democrats is not going to change their genocidal policies that they have already committed to. Any voting as such is purely strategic in service of a future revolutionary movement, to placate the ruling class into delaying their atrocities against us (i.e. policies that they still have yet to change their tune on, such as LGBT issues etc.), while we use the time we bargained for to build up our strengths.
Okay, some counterpoints:
Trump is incredibly fucking stupid, in addition to being a wildcard. Not only can we never predict what he's going to do, the ruling class can't predict what he's going to do. Worse (for them) is that he'll just do stuff even if it's counterproductive or harms US interests.
Biden's domestic policy is basically "let the red states do whatever they want to queer people because it's good for elections" which really isn't that much better than Trump. The state-level anti-trans legislation that has passed during Biden's term is going to lead to more deaths. He owns that because he doesn't care about us.
If you're telling me the only reason Democrats aren't actively joining a bipartisan genocide of queer people is because they believe they need to pander to the progressive left, something I agree with, then that's literally a hostage situation. "Vote for us or we'll fucking kill you."
I'm a trans woman and I can only speak for myself as just one individual, but I am not going to vote for someone else's genocide to maybe (not even certainly, maybe) protect myself. I already voted for this once. It's my fault. If I had any bravery I'd find a way to throw by body into the gears of the machine to slow it down, not cowardly protect myself by throwing other people in my place.
Israel is doing this genocide waving a rainbow flag. They butcher children in my name. They wear my fucking colors and pretend like they're progressive and pro-queer while they pound Gaza with 2000 pound bombs.
I already voted for this once and I want to die. Have you been listening to the news? Not the bullshit from CNN/MSNBC/NPR but the real news from DemocracyNow and Al Jazeera- even TikTok is a better source than the center-left horseshit these days. Have you been listening? The horror stories I keep hearing are making it hard to keep going. I voted for this. I'd rather die than vote for this again.
Bushnell has had more influence on American politics than every vote either us have ever cast in our entire lives.
I don’t disagree with you to be honest, and since you are an American (I believe so) and I’m not, the decision is really yours.
I’m just saying that in a hostage situation like you described, when one kidnapper wants to murder you, and the other thinks you still have some value to them, it is not unreasonable to try to placate them to buy yourself more time while you work out an escape plan/seeking for help.
I agree that both are atrocious and genocidal, but given that left wing movements are so fragmented and weak in the US, you have to think strategically, not just for the moment, but for how you’re going to build strength over a longer term. That’s all I’m saying.
In a hostage situation like you describe it's also not unreasonable to try to grab one of their guns~
That’s interesting, and understandable, although coming from a Chinese/East Asian culture I certainly have more of an emphasis on “playing the long game” mentality. Not seeking direct confrontation, but being smart about it and playing with cards we’re dealt with etc. to come out on top.
Climate change and nuclear war will probably combine to cause near human extinction within the next few decades.
We do not have a long game to play anymore. Or rather, the long game started over 100 years ago and we're about to lose. Not to mention while you're slow and steady, people die.
Why are you talking about this lol. It's project 2025.
Also what are you talking about domestic policies regarding LGBTQ lol