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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Arenge@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

Shouldn't have said anything, now I'm getting paragraphs upon paragraphs about Putler and how the West has a moral obligation to prolong the war in Ukraine for as long as possible sad-boi

Also while apparently it can't be denied that the far right has grown somewhat stronger in Ukraine, the Ukrainian military had to rely on militias such as Azov so they wouldn't lose, we should not worry because they haven't seen that much electoral success

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[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 23 points 7 months ago

Yeah, the Casus Belli is flimsy af. Just because it is true, or largely true, is not sufficient to mean that this was the real reason for Putin's move.

I think that the breakaway states in the Donbass need(ed) to be defended and that the Crimea was under threat as the next likely target but this was a geopolitical manoeuvre imo.

Idk it's just hard to swallow Russia's military offensive as being anti-fascist when you have Putin repatriating the remains of Denikin and Ivan Ilyin to inter them with state honours.

[-] ElGosso@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

If defending Crimea was all that was happening, then yeah, I'd agree with you. But Putin's stated goal is "denazification," which I don't really see any way to interpret except as overthrowing the government and installing one he likes better.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Putin wanted Ukraine to denazify since before the invasion and has stated as much. If you look at the actual Minsk Accords, they aren't demanding the ousting of the Ukrainian government. What Putin does care about are the literal Nazi paramilitary-turned-military who were spearheading the attacks on Donbas for eight years. The banderites are a real problem in Ukraine for many reasons and represent a political problem to Russia, it makes perfect sense for denazification of Ukraine to be a sincere demand, though obviously Russia doesn't give a shit about denazifying itself beyond occassional checks on the actual ethnonationalist political movements (like Navalny, Rest In ~~Power~~ Piss)

[-] goog@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

Maybe you should have based your understanding of the conflict on imperialism, rather than aesthetics. The importance of ideology in fascism must be repudiated.

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

I don't think that this is a very charitable interpretation of what I have said.

I explained why I do not agree with Russia's military offensive as being about denazification. I didn't explain how I personally understand the conflict myself or what I am drawing upon to analyse it.

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