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What should I do about carnist leftists?
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this argument can be used to dismiss literally any issue that isn't food insecurity. "stop complaining about transphobia, some people don't have food!"
I did deal with his point. His point was "I don't care about x because there is something I consider worse occurring." It's a shitty point. Fuck that point.
Veganism and food security go hand-in-hand, fool. Farming animals is incredibly destructive, inefficient, cruel decadence done for the pleasure of the rich while the poor go hungry. If you wanted to feed the maximum possible number of people you sure as shit would not be farming tons of grains and soy just to feed it to animals to eat. That shit's obviously stupid.
If the availability of food is more important than what the food consists of, then we must stop farming animals immediately. Didn't they teach you about energy efficiency and the food chain in elementary school?
Then what the fuck does any of that have to do with veganism ffs? Fuck off, debatebro liberal asshole. You can post your bullshit any other place on the entire internet, get the fuck out of !vegan@hexbear.net
Good, I'm not here to be polite to carnists. You're breaking the rules by posting here. Fuck off.
That is correct. You'd know this if you bothered to read the rules. Fuck off.
No one asked for your shitty carnist opinion. No one was talking to you. You are in a space where you are explicitly not allowed.
No omni apologists or carnists.
Babystepping is for libs, and we're not here to pat you on the back. Good faith questions and debate about how to fight for animal liberation are allowed.
right there on the sidebar
You're a parody of illiterate dumbass fucking carnist liberals.
small question but expecting carnists not to show up in a post about carnists is like when the libs got mad hexbears showed up in posts about hexbear
If it makes you feel better, I was thinking you were a smug carnist before I read the comment in which you admit to being one. It's not hard to see from a comment or two that you're in here to drop the same shitty carnist arguments we've all heard before.
Stop eating animals.
how else are you supposed to get the hormones, besides drinking them straight from the vein?? There can be only one, motherfuckers!
Ah yes, the ol' transpire
plz do not cannibalize me i am very smol
Nope
Plant-based diet is about food. Veganism is about animals (horse riding, animal testing)
Don't think I've ever heard of vegans being principled against horseback riding before, but I'll take your word for it. Never met anyone being against animal testing from a vegan perspective before either, but again, you seem more knowledgeable than me regarding this point.
But in your view, is veganism about the right to life/freedom for animals then? Or what is veganism, if it is not about food.
Vegans aren't necessarily always in agreement since there isn't a unified vegan front yet, but taken as a principle it should be a recognition that animals don't deserve mistreatment. Animals should be recognized as living entities, same as humans. A vegan should see eating an animal as equivalent to cannibalism. Would you say refusing to be a cannibal is a type of diet?
It's not necessarily a set of restrictions on diet, but rather, the promotion of an ethical framework of how to end animal exploitation. The food thing comes up a lot because that's what most people will encounter the most. It's the most common type of animal exploitation. Vegans also refuse to wear leather or wool.
Ethical vegans would necessarily argue against horseback riding, or any other sort of animal husbandry. Some vegans are so against animal husbandry they'll refuse to eat crops grown through the manipulation of bees, like some avocados.
I try my best. I hope I helped. Thank you for interacting in good faith and trying to learn.
Read the sidebar. Literally the first stated rule is:
Veganism is not environmentalism. Veganism is about not stabbing a pig when you can eat rice instead. Veganism is strictly about animals, plant-based diet is about food
I'm vegan but not because of the environment. It's because animals shouldn't be murdered and exploited
I'd make the case that both can be true. My personal veganism is intrinsically tied to both environmentalism and the ethical treatment of animals. We can't treat animals ethically if we don't have a stable environment.
if you are against breeding animals you are against environmentalism
but everything else looks fine its just that point im stuck on