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Welcome to /c/vegan and congratulations on your first steps toward overcoming liberalism and ascending to true leftist moral superiority.
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No plant-based diet bullshit or promotion of plant-based capitalism.
Veganism isn't about you, it's about historical materialist anti-speciesism, anti-racist animalization, and animal liberation. Ethical vegans only.No omni apologists or carnists.
Babystepping is for libs, and we're not here to pat you on the back. Good faith questions and debate about how to fight for animal liberation are allowed.No advocating violence to any species for any reason.
If you think this is negotiable GTFO. This includes but is not limited to animal testing, slaughter, and mass euthanasia. Anything that promotes speciesism or the commodification of animals will be removed.Use Content Warnings and NSFW tags for triggering content.
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Resources
Animal liberation and direct action
- Animal Liberation Press (ALF)
- Wiki on Ethical Veganism
- Wiki on the Animal Liberation Front
- Wiki on Total Liberation
- Different approaches to AL direct action
- Earth First! manual and tactics
- Support prisoners of conscience: Vegan Prisoners Support Group (UK)
- If someone tells you to put some paint on your hands, tag some buildings and then go turn yourself into the police - your "rebellion" is a fucking op
Read theory, libs
- 18 Theses on Marxism and Animal Liberation
- Racism as Zoological Witchcraft: A Guide to Getting Out
- Animal Liberation
- The Death of Nature
- The Case for Animal Rights
- Anarchism and Animal Liberation
- Total Liberation
- The Unbearable Whiteness of Milk
- Speciesism as a Precondition to Justice
- Beasts of Burden: Animal and Disability Liberation
- Citations Needed on media portrayals of animal rights activists
- The Jungle
Vegan 101 & FAQs
- Black Vegans Rock resources page
- Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach FAQs
- 30 Non-Vegan Excuses & How to Respond to Them
- Guide to justifications for harming and exploiting animals
- Your Vegan Fallacy Is
- The Radical Left’s Top 10 Objections to Veganism (And Why They Suck)
- Animal Liberation Front FAQs
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Every single time a thread in this comm gets attention in other parts of Hexbear, we get a whole slew of carnists trying to debatelord us, if not just coming in to spray chud-tier anti-vegan diarrhea. Oftentimes, they then go on to claim that we provoked them by doing things like "being visibly vegan" or "talking about the processes by which animal products are made." One went so far as to complain to the admins and try to get me demodded for enforcing rule 2. After repeatedly harassing and attacking us in our own community, they then complain that we're aggressive and confrontational.
They'll often try to deflect, saying that they're fine with veganism but that we're being too hardline in arguing for it. This, of course, is complete nonsense, and a tactic used by every hegemonic ideology in existence (see: Zionists claiming that "from the river to the sea" is antisemitic). Their goal isn't to get you to advocate for your beliefs in the best way possible, it's to tone police you out of being able to publicly express your positions at all.
Carnists have won and continue to win everywhere, and that still isn't enough for them. Every society eats meat, every industrial society tortures and kills animals for luxury products on a massive scale, we're forced to pay for the meat industry with our tax dollars, intrusive and obnoxious advertisements for burgers and chicken wings and other animal products assault us from TV, billboards, the internet, street signs - evidence of carnists' total victory at every level of society. But a tiny, largely powerless segment of the populace saying "hey, isn't this kind of messed up?" is enough to make them go DEFCON 1 and fly into a frothing rage as if they were manning the walls of the last slaughterhouse on Earth.
This reminds me of this post I made, in which I respond to this black carnist complaining that white vegans don't care about animals and are racist.
As a black vegan, I don't take any complaints about the dynamics of veganism, regardless of the vegan's race, seriously if it comes from carnists. In other words, she, as a carnist, even if one of color, has no footing to discuss how intersectionality works among vegans. It'd be like Candace Owens trying to make a complaint about how white feminists aren't intersectional enough. Yeah, that's not wrong, but the take coming from someone like Candace Owens would be hard to take seriously from her own mouth because she doesn't support feminism period.
If she were a black vegan saying something like "White vegans misunderstand vegans of color", then maybe it'd hold weight, but she's a black carnist trying to accuse white vegans of being "pushy" and says that if a BIPOC vegan is "pushy", they're perpetuating "white vegan supremacy". Her complaints aren't about "white" veganism. It's about vegans calling out her speciesist bullshit period, because no matter the color of the vegan who calls her out, she'll find a way to complain about it and say "I'm actually just mad at white vegans! By the way, if you're a BIPOC vegan who has a backbone in supporting animal liberation, then you're acting like a white vegan! I'm totally fine with BIPOC vegans, though! They just have to avoid policing my funding of animal slaughter because that's a white vegan thing to do! Tee-hee!"
The notion that "Ethical veganism is a white thing." is disgustingly racist because it's saying that only white people can truly care about animals, and my black vegan ass sure does care so fucking much about animals that I have to control my rage whenever someone makes that awful take.