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Judge upholds $83m E Jean Carroll defamation verdict against Trump
(www.theguardian.com)
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so he actually has to pony up the full amount now? no more bond, just pay it?
He can appeal this to the Circuit and then that to SCOTUS. So, closer to exhausting all appeals, but not there yet.
I don’t see how SCOTUS would ever agree to take this case, either. That said, I won’t put it past them
They won't, that's just the hierarchy of the appellate process.
Can you actually appeal anything to the SC with enough $$$ or is there a type of denial earlier in the process that then prohibits it?
Anyone can appeal for cert. Famously, a lot of convicts do from prison. It’s very rare to have it granted, though.
SCOTUS can take any case they want. But they don’t have all that much time so have to pick and choose until juicy ones.
The amount of faith you have in SCOTUS is concerning, they've already clearly demonstrated they're not basing opinions on law but who appointed them.
I have no faith in them. Ignoring them doesn’t fix things and pointing out how the world works does not imply faith.
You can appeal any federal case to scotus or make an argument that a state case should be federal. However scotus decides what cases they hear. So you can appeal but unless you have a good argument they are simply going to decide to not hear the case.
And if it's Trump asking?
could the circuit court refuse considering the egregious nature of its current disposition?
Yup, that's the most likely thing to happen. This court did it.
It's a New York state civil case. SCOTUS would be going way out of their way to get involved in this one.
This is specifically an appeal to the federal district. Read the linked article.
Which still doesn't matter, because SCOTUS doesn't get involved in civil cases unless there's some kind of constitutional question, and there is none here.
So, I'm right? Thanks for this exchange; it's been worthless.
SCOTUS won’t override a state court on matters of state law. The will always defer to the highest court in each state unless there is a federal question involved.
This is straight up not true.
Here's an example I found after a real quick Google search: https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/06/supreme-court-rules-against-north-carolina-republicans-over-election-law-theory/
The Supremacy Clause gives the US Supreme Court authority to overturn decisions by any lower court, including State Supreme Courts.
The concept of "independent state legislature" doctrine was shot down by SCOTUS back in 2022.
See:
Moore v. Harper
I never said they can't, I said they won't unless there is a Federal question. State supreme courts are experts on their state laws and the SCOTUS will not interpret state laws for states.
I literally just gave you an example though. Federal elections are run by the states. The US Supreme Court ruled against the North Carolina Supreme Court regarding that state's running of elections. They may be federal elections, but it's completely a state issue.
Or we could talk about their history with state gerrymandering cases?
Especially with this current court, it's quite the claim to say with such certainty that they will or will not do something. But, historically speaking, you're wrong.
And I also gave examples. I'm not really sure what you're going on about. Just walk away.
You gave me an example of...? Your claim is that (with a strange amount of certainty) that the US Supreme Court doesn't do X. I gave you evidence that they have and will do X. That's all I needed to do in order to support my claim.
You can't really prove a negative with examples so I'm not sure what you mean when you say that you also gave examples? Examples of what???
Is every SCOTUS case ever (that isn't one I mentioned) an example?
That's a total non sequitur, here. Circuit then SCOTUS is the appellate path, as I said. No one has even discussed the merit or likelihood of success of any such appeals.
The Supreme Court has the right to issue certiorari over any case with a few exceptions where Congress has created specific courts to have original jurisdiction. Bankruptcy court is an example as well as immigration court. The question isn’t whether they can but which cases to prioritize given the amount of time they have available each year.
Even in those types of issues SCOTUS is the court of last resort.
Agreed. I'm just reporting on the principle.
Isn’t this just in regards to the first defamation trial; not the second, $400+ million one?
yep.
hes about to lose that 400m bond fight also, so say bye-bye to that new york property
that said, its just money. there are enough morons in the country for him to grift his way back into the black. doesnt matter how much he loses.
its just so satisfying to see this criminal finally fucking lose something
I'm okay with him bankrupting his supporters too
Yep. Take down the entire party apparatus while you’re at it.
Didn't he just get a 1B stock payout from Truth Social?
i think its stock only, there are a ton of restrictions like he cant sell immediately.. so maybe no immediate cash out and hopefully in the meantime the price tanks to pennies so it becomes worthless
And then only if he can find enough suckers to buy it off him. Just him dumping it would tank the stock price.
No. He doesn’t actually have that value because he can’t touch it for an extended period of time. It’ll bottom out before he can sell.
And even when that happens, he won't be able to liquidate that much stock at market price.
The $400m was for tax fraud and deceiving banks.
This is the 2nd defamation trial (the first being 5 million iirc). The 400+ million one was the NY fraud trial for inflating the value of his properties. It is hard to keep track of them :)
I expect he can still appeal. He is the most unappealing person ever, yet always has another appeal....
If he makes any more motions he might actually lose some weight.
I believe the appeal needs to be denied by the second circuit, and then he will have to pony up the cash.
...or E Jean Caroll will be paid by the Chubb Group who issued the bond.
Bonds aren't insurance policies. They're guarantees that the full amount will be paid to those owed the money. In the end, Trump will still have to pay if he loses the appeal. If Chubb has to pay instead, they can start seizing and selling Trump assets to cover the full value of the bond.
Yep, we agree. Chubb only pays if Trump doesn't.
Trump's gonna pay. It's just a question of whether he'll pay directly or try to stall again and end up having one of his building seized by Chubb.
I know which one I'm rooting for.
Sadly Chubbs bond was backed by a Schwab account of assets as collateral. So stocks and bonds, not real estate. Chubb shot down accepting any Trump real estate as collateral.
He already had to post a bond for this appeal— so he ponied up the cash. Carroll just doesn’t get it until all appeals are exhausted.
No he didn't, Chubb provided a bond.
Now he has to pony up the cash and if he doesn't Chubb will have to pay.
Hey!
Donald!
Donald give up your money.
Hey Trump