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[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 6 months ago

Fun fact as a reminder: liberals, Biden leading the way to hell, absolutely could have had their imperialist cake and eaten it too. All they had to do really was declare on October 8th something like "blah blah horrible day for Israel blah blah we understand they will retaliate on some select targets that we've reviewed with them in Gaza. However: we've made it extremely clear this is to be only a handful of targets taken out after which a deal will be made with Hamas to release prisoners held in Israel for those kidnapped. The US will work with the UN to ensure there is no retaliation upon the innocents of Gaza and Bibi has agreed to immediately begin prosecution against those who have made genocidal statements in the wake of yesterday's events." They could probably do some shit like that, maybe agree to restrict less shit into Gaza, and be "back to normal" in a week or two.

But Biden fed into this bullshit from the jump. I'll never forget when he came out after Oct 7 and just blatantly lied about the already proven lie about beheaded babies. I mean he's always been a piece of shit, etc. but when he said that it was just confirmation of the worst fears about Israeli retaliation. That the US would not force them to restrain at all and in fact was practically encouraging the genocide as if the US had been attacked.

Biden and his advisors very easily could've had their dead babies, just less of them, and they could've maintained the siege on Gaza, maybe less restrictive than before. But instead of yelling heel at the dog they just took the collar off and let the dog run free for 7 months now.

I don't know how Trump would've handled things, but I want to cope and feel like his authoritarian tendencies would mean he'd absolutely not let the likes of Bibi or his ministers cuck the president of the US like they've done to Biden at every possible chance. He doesn't give a shit about Israel, so it'd be easier for him to just be like "excuse me, Bibi. I'm the boss. You're fired. Stop bombing."

I dunno. What I do know is the entire blob is doing some shit that we here all knew was coming one day, but I thought it would be "next time" like they'd pass these Nazi laws in between Israel's genocides. They're just openly doing it, right now, when even liberals, when they're sobbing themselves to sleep after hate-masturbating to the idea of being able to talk shit about a POTUS again next year, can see the most obvious shit ever. Even conservatives cannot deny this truth. The US is just scraping away the first amendment (already dead a while ago, but assuming this Nazi shit fully becomes law, and why would anyone think otherwise when they just broke the law to ban an app a couple weeks ago). The fifth has been a coffin full of nails... like someone shot a machine nail gun at the coffin labeled "5th"... since the couple years after 9/11 when the Patriot Act passed (which was inconceivable at the time, I remember. We all "knew" it would be fully struck down. Just like we all knew Bush would go to prison... at least Cheney!.....) and it's such a joke now that no one even bothers pointing that of fucking course they're spying on protestors. Not IOF spies (yeah them too I guess) but just straight up US three letter agents spying on US citizens engaging in fully legal protest. The liberals told us that stopped decades ago...! You got "uh, why the fuck isn't this dumbass in jail already?" Mayor dipshit Adams sending in a train of KKK motherfuckers to club teenagers on the head and then talk about KHAMAS locks on doors.

All of that... for a foreign shithole which they could've still protected from itself but for one old man and (presumably, because the POTUS is always controlled it seems) his team of "advisors" begging for, DEMANDING the burnt flesh of babies just one more time before he dies.

The last 7 months, and especially the last couple weeks feel like one of those weeks Lenin talked about because it feels like we went from some level of hell Oct 6 to on the threshold of Tom Cotton (triggering the NSA algo right there) personally swooping in from helicopter to tear gas my entire house and then canoe me after finding out I said Israel is an apartheid state- all within an instant. We all knew this was precarious, this was coming, etc. but, well, it came. Didn't even give a warning. Just came everywhere. Tough to predict where this heads. I think it's going very very badly for Zionism, but, apparently those in charge are determined to make sure everyone goes down the drain with SS Israel as it sinks under its own hubris... maybe the US is the Titanic and Israel is the iceberg. We'll all be joining those billionaire submersible (remember that?) dumbasses in Poseidon's realm soon, perhaps.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago

he's literally more zionist than ronald regan

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's honestly fucking incredible how much he rides for Israel. I admit to knowing he was shit on Israel before he was elected, but I didn't truly understand how evil he was on the topic until that beheaded babies speech. I cannot emphasize enough how much of a personal "oh... fuck..." glimpse of the future I got when he said that shit. I really really really despise him. I hate Trump too, but Biden in the last 7 months has made me become almost religious but in a pure hatred type of way. Just to hope there's a hell for him to burn in. I didn't think I could despise a politician more than I did Dick Cheney or Rumsfeld or Obama or Hillary... and then Biden came back in with some kind of resurrected corpse of Rumsfeld and called it Kirby. Blood magic.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

One of the things that drives me nuts is how the beheaded babies and rape stories that aired immediately after the attack spooked a ton of reactionary liberals into fully supporting israel even after those stories were debunked.

I've been sending them videos of atrocities committed by IOF soldiers in Gaza but they completely ignore them and only reply with state dept news articles.

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 months ago

If they seem like otherwise "good" people I'd say a lot of that is internalized learned racism from specifically 23 years of pure anti-Arab, anti-Muslim racism and xenophobia being pounded on about basically 24/7. Liberals kinda took a rest on the overtly racist shit circa 2016 but all it took was one "terror attack" by people outwardly brown skinned and probably all Arabic speaking Muslims for their brains to go "oh I know what this is. 9/11, Iraq War, we can say sorry later but first we gotta just let the military handle this otherwise I'll get shot on the NYC subway" or whatever.

I experienced the same generalized shock because as someone who was a teen when 9/11 happened and then grew up in the subsequent decades of unrestrained, allowable racism towards people perceived as Arabs but have since shook off whatever shit I was taught... I guess I thought more white people had also seen through the bullshit. I also thought more people could see that what was done to Afghanistan and Iraq was objectively bad for everyone, even playing towards the tendency for Americans to only value American or European lives, and of course money wasted.

I don't shy from calling people evil or dumbass or both as I see fit, but I also do allow some room for "you are behaving like an evil dumbass right now... are you actually that stupid or did CNN mixed with your deranged focus on Trump being bad melt your brain just as bad as the fully aware hogs?" It's like all the hogs calling CNN fake news reverse engineered a lot of lib brains into not saying the truth which is "yeah a lot of shit on CNN is objectively "fake" in a propagandistic type of way. They take stories and pump them up beyond proportionality (like "crime in cities" making it seem like a legit issue. And of course murder rates in some cities IS an issue I mean the focus on like "if you step foot on an NYC subway you'll be mugged then stabbed to death by the first homeless guy in sight" which is objectively basically happening at a 0% rate) or the focus (or non focus!) on American "foreign policy" to always spin it somehow that when US does it it's good and ok and if China does it it's literally Satanic in nature. Like I THOUGHT more liberals had seen through this super obvious, and evermore obvious, smokescreen or whatever.

But, apparently not. They all seem to just be marching in line behind the "liberal" media as it progresses further and further right wing. Because it's the Biden stance, it's the Pelosi stance, it's the Jeffries and Schumer stance. And the democrats are good, don't ever read and definitely don't ever think about anything, babies gotta burn, sorry guys...

It just seems more and more likely that whenever all these contradictions come to a head, and they just eventually, that doesn't mean a war or revolution, but something drastic will change and one group will crush the other, just how it goes. Whenever that happens I used to buy into the delusion of oh it's gonna be republicans vs democrats... seems more and more and more obvious that no these two groups of liberals are collapsing into each other, dems going further authoritarian, against all civil rights, while the republicans pick up this twisted view of like "no I'm the SJW actually" but for white people or Jewish people in the US/Israel where they aren't much of an oppressed group anymore (zero in Israel as they ARE the oppressors. And this isn't to discount actual real antisemitism, etc. etc. disclaimer for liberals in walls). They're just twisting into this final actually openly one party on all issues formation that will just spout lies and twisted bullshit views of their "justice" which involves being allowed to do genocides, no questions ever asked. The actual seekers of justice, those who haven't been calling themselves democrats really for a decade if not longer, are absolutely target number one since the truth and actual justice and the moral integrity to speak and stand against them is an existential threat. They may also toss the super far right Nazis under the bus too, which is actually kinda funny. I could easily see Trump or his successor being like "no no no all those protestors had to be shot... see? holds up swastika They were Nazis. Oh the other groups? Leftist? No no, folks. They were all Nazis. Ok, no more questions." Both sets of liberals forming a fascist-lite party and clipping the extremes would unironically make every anchor and a ton of soccer moms bust and squirt all of their SUVs. "Finally no more protests, no more mean guys in jackboots, except our brave police!, I don't have to worry about anything, just let congress handle it..."

In many ways we're already at that point, just not carried through to the most extreme yet. Also they're still openly protecting Nazis. If I were super evil liberal leader guy though... you toss the open Nazis like the groypers and proud boys under the rolling bus, because they're worthless anyway, and liberals will give you carte blanche to line every single person who has tweeted anything slightly mean about Biden up right next to the proud boys.

I don't know what to do about all of this, but, well, shit sucks, that's for sure. Keep agitating for pro-Palestinian and anti-genocide, anti-US imperialism and hope people wake the fuck up I guess.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Americans really have had their attention spans eroded over the past 30 years. It appears as if their minds are continuously trying to protect themselves by remembering 01-16 with a feeling of nostalgia rather than observing an endless stream of obvious parallels.

[-] panned_cakes@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

Misunderstanding of "Israel's" geopolitical purpose for the US. It's the Zionists riding for the US. We do *NOT ship American bodies across the Atlantic with fanfare. Period. Not even for our futile attempts to bring West Asia to heel.

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