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[-] Pili@hexbear.net 140 points 6 months ago

10 years of Uyghur "genocide": no image

7 months after October 7:

Next lib cope: "Israel is a free and democratic country so people are allowed to take photos of the concentration camps!"

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 78 points 6 months ago

10 years of Uyghur "genocide": no image

the photo of the Palestinians sitting is so hilariously close to the same as that fake photo of Uyghurs.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 42 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

that fake photo of Uyghurs.

If you're talking about the one I think, the picture of inmates sitting in a yard wasn't fake, it was an official PR photograph for a seminar about (IIRC) educational programs available to inmates, showing inmates watching the seminar alongside their (out of frame) families. It just got spammed everywhere without context because "China + prison yard" is all it takes for chuds' imaginations to run wild.

[-] rio@hexbear.net 72 points 6 months ago

But there was a photo of the Uyghur genocide.

Sure, it was in Brazil and a photo of a Brazilian jail, but we were definitely told it was Uyghur genocide.

And you’re also forgetting those satellite images of warehouses in Xinjiang. How do you explain that if not genocide?

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 44 points 6 months ago

lol there was also that Taiwanese BDSM sex dungeon photo that got misrepresented as "Xinjiang torture"

[-] GladimirLenin@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago

Also the cock milking machines that Jordan Peterson shared

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 24 points 6 months ago

that milk was unpasteurized so its okay

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

did you hear they have prisons in China? literally genocide.

[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

Sure, it was in Brazil and a photo of a Brazilian jail,

I thought it was just a normal textile factory in Brazil, not even a prison?

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 53 points 6 months ago

Somebody post this comment in reddit-logo and record how long it takes to get banned off of different subs

[-] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Weren't there satellite pictures of their facilities and prisons, and videos of their schools where they were trying to eliminate their old culture? There were images all over the Jon Oliver episode on the Uyghur genocide, including video. You think they were all fake?

[-] Doubledee@hexbear.net 37 points 6 months ago

I believe China acknowledges the facilities exist, they would dispute that they are torture camps though. I'm of two minds, on the one hand I can easily imagine a government committing human rights abuses in response to a security threat. I think it's good to be skeptical of the state narrative that they're nice vocational training facilities. There's a decent chance things are happening that I would find unacceptable, I think that's fair.

On the other hand I see how our government and media are treating the Palestine conflict. I remember WMD, and the babies that were supposedly unplugged from the incubators in Kuwait. I've read about the Gulf of Tonkin. I know what we did to Mossadegh, and how we spun that coup against democracy as liberation.

I'm deeply skeptical of US and 'western' narratives of people that threaten their order. And yes I do believe a lot of things can be faked, especially things happening in a language almost no Americans speak or read and have to trust the interpretation of events being given to them by actors with a stake in the outcome.

[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago

On the other hand I see how our government and media are treating the Palestine conflict.

Related to that, another good thing to look at is how officials and the media talk about these sorts of things: there's all the vocal dehumanization and aggression towards Palestinians in occupied Palestine, towards refugees in the US, etc with the aim of whipping up hatred and inspiring eager genocidaires, whereas in China incitement of ethnic hatred is criminalized, official sources praise Uygur culture, Uygur artists are elevated in the media, etc.

Genocide requires incitement and hatred to sustain it, it doesn't just quietly get enacted without a strong militant base of support to actually carry it out, and it doesn't happen without the whole process leaking like a sieve either - not just from dissenters trying to spread awareness but from the genocidaires themselves celebrating it. If there were a genocide in Xinjiang not only would there be actual, material signs of that like refugees fleeing across the nearby border (instead of there being a constant, normal back and forth there as residents travel for one reason or another and return), there'd be dipshit footsoldiers posting selfies celebrating their latest atrocity and encouraging others to join in, like we see with the IOF publicizing their own crimes in Gaza.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

more likely than not they are deradicalization centers - ie reeducation facilities

the us government has spent billions to radicalize the uighurs over the past 30 years. cant remember the name of the program. they wanted to create their own version of alqaida in western china but china was like, no, we aint having that

[-] Doubledee@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

Right, I acknowledge that, although China unfortunately also had a hand in the radicalization effort: Blowback season 4 goes into it a bit, they wanted to poke the USSR so they actually helped fund the sources in Afghanistan that later backfired into Xinjiang. But like I said, they're dealing with a real security problem.

I would still say that an ethnically delineated camp is probably too broad of a response, but I'm also not one of the people that got stabbed. Maybe that's bourgeois decadence for me to think. Deradicalization appears to be very difficult to do while abiding by the convention on human rights, a more humane and successful attempt at what China is doing doesn't come to mind.

At any rate I am skeptical of the nightmarish cartoon version you normally hear, I wish there were more robust third party organizations that could be trusted to investigate something like this without being weaponized by the US or some wacky fundamentalist. It's just that there's a lot of room between "a genocide of Uygurs" and "everything is totally fine."

[-] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

I can easily imagine a government committing human rights abuses in response to a security threat.

From what I remember, this was basically the conclusion of a UN report on the subject.

That China was engaging in this broadly successful de-radicalization campaign, that there was evidence of human rights abuses in certain areas of that program, but that they didn't amount to genocide. In fact, I don't think the report ever mentioned the word genocide.

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago

Fake and/or misrepresented, yes. Nobody denies a counter-insurgency in the region. They do deny a genocide, because the claims are false

[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago

Dumb ass amerikkkracker thinks prison is genocide. I get it, you're amerikkkan and want to use prisons to genocide and oppress black people but not every country is amerikkka

[-] robinnn@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

I don't watch John Oliver because he's a white supremacist liberal moderate hitlerite who married a demon soldier of the 2.5th Reich, so I haven't seen this video (or maybe I have, but I wouldn't know without specifics).

Here's an example of a BBC video where they visit a school in Xinjiang and misrepresent everything.

[-] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

Bro if China wanted to genocide the uighers (why would they btw) why would they explicitly exempt them from their previous one child policy? Why has the uigher population steadily increased like consistently?

Are they just doing a genocide very badly? Seems stupid to believe in imo

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