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People protesting aren't voting for Biden, the ones who are are denouncing the protests while doing pearl clutching over property damage.
I'd be surprised if opponents of genocide would vote Republican instead, given how some GOP reps seem to be opposing even the half-measure of delaying arms shipments.
A two party state where you choose between "fucked up" and "less fucked up, but constantly ceding ground" just does a poor job of accurately representing the opinions of people favouring actual progress, so they're doing what they can to pull the Overton Window their way.
This is what perpetuates the insanity in US. When your choices are Hitler and 99% Hitler, then the vote is meaningless. A lot of people will just choose not to participate in this circus.
If Biden is 99% Hitler than I'm 99% Jesus and it's rude for you to argue with me.
I'm not going to argue with a supporter of a genocide.
Not a supporter of genocide. I just realize there's a lot more going on than just that
If you support Biden then you are supporting a genocide that US is currently involved in. Period. The fact that you can't even admit this just further underscores your utter lack of morality and intellectual honesty.
Ok, but if I don't support Biden, the other guy is going to continue doing the genocide. Maybe even at a worse pace. So what's the answer than? Voting on every other decision
Genocide sucks, but America dug this hole for generations. It's not all on Biden
Change comes from outside the ballot box. Vote for Biden, sure, but join and support the ongoing protests forcing his hand currently. Historically, meaningful change has come from collective action.
Your actions are what matter, and if you're going to vote for the guy who is conducting a genocide then you are complicit. No amount of hand wringing will change that.
Not voting is also an action. And if your refusal to vote allows someone to take power that will not only continue the genocide, but also start more genocides, then you are complicit. No amount of hand wringing will change that.
Yeah, not voting for either genocidal scumbag is indeed an action. To frame what's happening in US as the fault of people who refuse to vote for either scumbag is the height of idiocy. No amount of liberal sophistry will change that.
It's the trolley problem with a single track: you can pull the lever and the trolley will run over 5 people before it stops, or you can not pull the lever and the trolley will run over 10 people.
If you're standing beside the lever with your arms crossed refusing to pull it, saying "the fault is on the person who tied the people to the track. Getting involved makes me complacent." Then yes, people are going to blame you because even if you didn't cause the problem there is something very easy you can do to make it less bad.
You can't save all 10, but you can save 5. So you do what you can, and then you also go after the guy who tied the people to the tracks.
Learn how resisting actual repressive regimes works instead of making a clown of yourself here. You're not saving anyone here. Biden is the one doing a genocide as we speak, not Trump. But I suppose racists like you don't even consider Palestinians to be humans, so you won't lose any sleep over that.
"anyone who disagrees with me is a racist!"
Good talk. Engaging with you is definitely worth while...
Nah, it's just people who use a trolley analogy to dismiss an actual genocide they're supporting who are racists. Clearly you place no value on the lives of Palestinians that the party you keep telling people to vote for is massacring. At least have the decency to own up to your beliefs openly little fash.
If your choices are Hitler and 99% Hitler, you still do what you can to stop 100% Hitler. Less bad is less bad.
Nobody cares about your smug sense of superiority when 100% Hitler is in charge and you proudly announce "I did nothing to stop this, other than try to encourage other people to also do nothing to stop this."
This idiotic logic is precisely why US is where it is today.
You mean the logic of "I'm not going to do anything and neither should anyone else"?
Nobody is making this argument except you.
Considering I specifically suggested doing something is better than doing nothing, I'm going to go ahead and guess that listening to what other people are saying isn't a strength of yours.
Doing something is what the students protesting the genocide are currently doing, not voting for the guy doing the genocide. The fact that you don't understand these basic things is truly phenomenal.
I understand that the people protesting are doing something. This is the first time you've actually advocated for an action.
People are fully capable of both protesting and voting to keep someone worse from doing worse things. The fact that you don't understand these basic things is truly phenomenal.
Protesting a genocide is real tangible action, voting for a guy committing the genocide is the opposite that action. Hope that helps clear things up for you since you seem to have trouble grasping this concept.
This is pretty rich coming from a guy who unironically defends Stalin and Mao for "doing what needed to be done."
Edit - I mean there you have it. If I explain the meme I'll get banned but I think any reasonable person can appreciate the whiplash.
What, defeating the Nazis? Breaking free from Emperors, Western imperialism, and Japanese imperialism? I’d say those needed to be done, yes.
Stalin and Mao liberated hundreds of millions of people, provided them with food, healthcare, education, and jobs. Imagine comparing that to a senile manager of the empire doing a genocide. What is wrong with you?
Meh, you and I both know that we cannot have an honest discussion of Mao or Stalin's flaws on this instance, the same way we can have an honest discussion of Biden's.
We both know that you refuse to accept reality. Facts aren't on your side though https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/
And Israel is the most advanced nation in the Levant, I guess.
That certainly does sound like something you would think unironically.
Then show me the Biden supporter (who isn't protesting) that wants small government like those who fly the Gadsden flag.
them goalposts be moving
Them goalposts is me asking for the original receipt. Show me the Biden supporter who you claim this flag represents.
nobody made this argument except you, what was said was that Biden supporters are just like the people whom this flag represents, they're ok with an actual genocide being committed against other people as long they're comfortable
Sounds like Republicans to me.