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Riots rule (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 5 months ago by bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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[-] Gork@lemm.ee 139 points 5 months ago

Civil disobedience? Well don't mind if I do.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 33 points 5 months ago

Civil Disobedience is the opposite of this.

[-] Hupf@feddit.de 63 points 5 months ago

Uncivil Disobedience

[-] Gork@lemm.ee 56 points 5 months ago

Ok ok. Civil disobedience, but with bricks

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 37 points 5 months ago

No, this is just rioting. That's not to say rioting is bad, it got redlining and segregated neighborhoods banned, and is an important part of peaceful demonstrations, as it shows what the consequences will be if they don't give into your demands.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

No. It's not "just rioting". Try that again without the value judgment.

We see this type of hidden judgement on a regular basis. The key words are "just" and "only". It's an annoyingly effective rhetorical device, because the statement looks like an objective description of things when it's not.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What hidden value judgement? I pointed out that rioting or other violent action, or at least the credible threat of, is necessary for any progress.

[-] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

You're both right.

Often, descriptors like simply, only, just, etc. are used to diminish or manage perceptions of dissent.

However, saying 'no it's just a riot' in this case is merely accurate grammar, as it's applying needed nuance and limits to the definition of civil disobedience.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

As you pointed out, this is partly a matter of interpretation. So opinions could reasonably vary, and I respect that.

I believe it's clear enough that in this case, saying that the situation is just a riot, is a way of taking focus away from the other things that were happening. Perhaps it wasn't a riot and then turned into one, and maybe we should be focusing on what happened first. Or perhaps there was a riot happening along with something else, and that second thing is worth mentioning.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago

For anyone wondering:

civil disobedience, the refusal to obey the demands or commands of a government or occupying power, without resorting to violence or active measures of opposition