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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

Ok but there’s a given value of this. I have a friend with a PhD in hpv. On matters of hpv I’m definitely wrong if I’m arguing with her, and same for any matter of microbiology or virology. I’m probably wrong in any argument with her about any biology. But when we start talking physics? Nah I’m an engineer and she studies a cancer virus. I’m more likely to be right about how electricity works. Astrophysics though? We might as well be art majors.

[-] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Yea but I'd like to think most people who are educated in 1 field to know to "stay in their lane" so to speak, and trust the experts in other fields.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 12 points 5 months ago

I’d like to think that too, but I keep being proven wrong. There’s plenty of people who think that their expertise in one realm means they have expertise in many other realms.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Ha!

[-] The_v@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

It's ironic that what most people think of as a highly intelligent person is a polymath aka somebody who is an expert in multiple topics.

Academia today is designed for extreme specialization of knowledge. So it actively selects against anyone that would be classified as a polymath.

It's a pretty big disconnect between expectations and reality.

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think you're right, and maybe add a modification. As a fellow engineer, I'll suggest there's a third option that's more realistic when it comes to knowledgeable and lay people having a discussion:

as mentioned in the meme, scientists can and do learn stuff that improves overall understanding.
the quest for improved understanding is usually sparked by a strange or unique observation, sometimes by scientists, sometimes by the much larger population of regular folks
Provided there is good intent and respect from both parties, I believe it's critically important that people who have observed something unique be able to discuss it somehow with people who have particular skill related to that phenomena

What seems to be missing out of a lot of these misinformation tikTube fights is precisely that fundamental lack of respect. I've observed it's very easy to destabilize a calm discussion with small amounts of inconsiderate speech by people within or outside the discussion. Sometimes it seems purposeful, but the result is a much slowed ability to communicate. That's bad for us all.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Having qualifications doesn't automatically make you right. Having data and logic makes you right. It is more likely that she is correct in any discussion about her subject of expertise, but having a degree doesn't make her automatically correct and you automatically wrong. That attitude is the exact opposite of the principles of science.

[-] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Just because one doesn't have equal post secondary education in one topic as another doesn't mean that their arguments are unsound. That's effectively an appeal to authority.

[-] Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 2 points 5 months ago

He has a degree in Human Papillomavirus? Did he get it from Florida State?

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

Bravo

[-] Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 1 points 5 months ago

Idk how to curtsy online….

[-] MadBob@feddit.nl 0 points 5 months ago

You're going in the chokey for using an obscure abbreviation without saying what it means.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Oh sorry, it’s a doctorate in philosophy, it means she’s advanced scientific knowledge and has been recognized by the scientific community for it and now has the right to be addressed with the title Doctor.