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Please read jeb

I enjoy both but its really cemented why I love dragon age so much more.

These are story based games set in worlds created entirely for these games. Its common to have discussion about how different story events could have gone differently, or what will happen in universe after the events of the most recent installment. Obviously, how these worlds are set up and how the story is told effects the discussions a lot.

In mass effect society spreads across the galaxy and encompasses trillions of individuals across thousands of planets. Despite that, the major story beats hinge on how you treated individual characters, or whether they are alive or not. Like whether an artificial plague causing 99% of krogan pregnancies to miscarry is justified is completely down to whether the good leader is in charge.

Despite trillions of individuals and complex economics all major conflict boils down to species versus species. All krogan, all asari, all turians are just like that so of course this has happened. There are hints in game that there are many different cultures within each species but we get very little evidence of that, and almost entirely in the 3rd game. Krogan (giant toad people with natural armor, anger issues, and a love of violence) are shown to be maybe not inherently violent individuals that care a bit about others, but thats mostly it. We get one pretty butch Asari (otherwise all feminine species).

So when the community talks about these things its always on individualist or species based terms. It is almost impossible to do materialist analysis because of how the games are made. When the community talks about the game arguments are more heated and personal. There are lots more gotcha type lines than in the dragon age community. I suspect this hostile dynamic could contribute to why there are obviously way more women and queer people in the dragon age community.

Mass effect's story is also about exceptional individuals overcoming impossible odds, which lands way better with men, in general, than women, in general.

In the dragon age community discussions revolve around things like, how does the church use drugs to control their private army? How will giving the dwarves a tool that enables them to put their souls into tanks effect their society? How do independent kingdoms respond to a paramilitary organization run by a prophet encroaching on their land?

Mass effect discussions are, "do the volus deserve a council seat?" Instead of, "How could the Volus get a council seat?" or, "How will the volus having a council seat change existing power dynamics?"

Dragon age stories are, "how does magical talent being both random and dangerous effect society?" "Is it worth it to consort with demons to gain power?" Mass effect stories are, "oo ouch owie my magic gives me migraines." (I like Kaiden don't @ me, the whole child soldier bit both games have is nice)

There are other differences too, like dragon age having braver character writing that scares away some of the chuds. Most people on the dragon age subreddit don't like Vivienne, but understand how her inclusion makes the game better. That kind of subelty doesn't exist in mass effect discussions because the game literally wasn't designed for that level of depth. All characters that are apart of your "squad" are meant to be likeable or at least the kind of person their players would respect. Dragon age release characters also in your "squad" like Sera and Vivienne knowing that tons of their players will hate them.

In summary, mass effect is lacking a pair, let alone a quad. (krogan have 4 testicles) (Please laugh I mentioned testicles) jeb

This is underselling ME3 a bit, it was relatively anti-gamer for its time. ME1 and 2 get the gamer-gulag tho. Even though I like them anyway.

Edit: how could I forget Dragon age has literally actually good trans representation. Theres a FtM guy whos literally just the coolest fighty bro and his dudes respect him.

"So If I grew up under the Qun they'd treat me like a real man?" "You ARE a real man Krem." transshork-happy

Edit 2: adding data from reddit surveys

The dragon age subreddit is 45.2% women (3.2% trans), 44% men (1.9% trans), 9.1% non binary and 1.7% other. 45.3% Heterosexual

The Mass effect subreddit is 76.4% men (0.6% trans), 19.7% women (1.5% trans), and 6% total trans people. 73.9% hetero

Dragon age reddit 2023 demographics survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1vi-9XTyIx2kvu4hXb309b0NvdWL7Ub_Yj73le6WXzpI/viewanalytics

Mass effect reddit 2019 demographics survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdNHQxT7COKRuYIaoHBXt0s3DOdq2RgPCLlJg2RCN5pf3kcKA/viewanalytics

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[-] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

As lib and somewhat incurious as Mass Effect 1 was, I really loved the setting and was super disappointed that 2 and 3 ended up as generic 7th gen third person shooters with a bit more story than the usual ones

Like there were little pockets of cool ideas and fun world building sprinkled in, and I would have loved to see them expand on it in a more story based way than just shooting everything and everyone. Things like Turians and Quarians having a wildly different physiology from most other species, making even things like food incompatible. And I'm a sucker for a good space opera

But then we got whatever the fuck ME3 was

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

Also what happened in the writers room between 1 and 2 were the evil human organisation suddenly stopped being unambiguously evil?

[-] LeZero@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

If I were to guess, Obama got elected so now the CIA must be the good guys

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 1 points 5 months ago

I'm talking about Cerberus or whatever they were called not the Spectres

[-] machiabelly@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

they were too I think. Cerberus was still evil. Its shown in ME3 that they went to big lengths in ME2 to make the organization seem palatable to shepard. Plus, you can basically give cerberus a big fuck you at the end of ME2 anyway. You join cerberus because they are the only ones willing to give you the resources to fight the collectors, not because they are good.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah I recall that, I guess I should rephrase. What I meant was that they were cartoonishly evil in 1 doing Mengele-tier experiments for no discernible reason and being all-around Saturday Morning Cartoon Villanous burning down all they encountered. In 2 and 3 they're more... pragmatic bad guys. They do bad things because they think it's for the good of mankind. The things they do are bad and they are bad for doing them, but they kinda make sense from their worldview. They also aren't as obviously horrendous as they were in 1.

[-] machiabelly@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah they were so comically evil and incompetent in ME1. Theres actually dialogue in ME3 where one of the companions talks about missing the old incompetent cerberus, which I thought was funny.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah exactly! I wonder why the writers changed them

[-] machiabelly@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

I genuinely think its the most nuance their writing staff could come up with.

[-] LeZero@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

Same, at the end of the day Spectres are more like UN special forces, while Cerberus are more interested in Ameri... Human supremacism

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

Ah okay I just misunderstood you then. Yeah I saw the spectres as the CIA equivalent (as seen in the eyes of libs and how they think It Should Be In A Rational World) where I saw cerberus more as a vague terroist allegory (and since it's written by libs they don't really have any deeper motivations)

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