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submitted 6 months ago by Blackbeard@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

More efficient manufacturing, falling battery costs and intense competition are lowering sticker prices for battery-powered models to within striking distance of gasoline cars.

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[-] blazera@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago

Over 20k used, meanwhile China's getting literally half the price new. But dems and republicans have joined hands in stopping this boon for the climate.

[-] bigschnitz@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah when you use literal slaves instead of union labour, costs are down. I'm not willing to trade my humanity to save a few dollars and a debatable improvement to the climate disaster (I doubt the manufacture and extraction practices in China are anything approaching clean).

IMO this is a rare case of Washington doing the right thing.

Edit For the benefit of anyone at risk of being fooled by authoritarian propaganda, there is a plethora of evidence of slave labour used throughout the Chinese economy, from uyghur muslims to foxcons indentured workers. It's prevelent through the supply chain for many, many industries, and that alone warrants discentives on imports until such time as these practices end.

To suggest that individual businesses, who are built within this system, may be somehow operating outside of it is clearly absurd, however it's simply not possible for a layman to unpack and debate the supply chains and business practices hidden behind the bamboo curtain.

The discourse below is an example of how bad faith arguments can create doubt, by employing strawman arguments and ignoring actual points raised to create the appearance of being reasonable by hiding behind "citation needed" type arguments. If you read through it, you'll see that the propagandist doesn't once engage in anything I've actually said - this is intentional, they do not want to be in a position where any claim they make can be contested, nor do they actually want to directly contest any claim I've made. Rather they only want to sow doubt in what I'm saying, which takes considerably more effort to discredit than any actual claim.

[-] blazera@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago

Need a source for these EV factories using slave labor.

And by all means lets debate on the climate impact of these vehicles, what parts are you saying are a problem? While Americas been manufacturing more and more combustion trucks and SUVs, China has been leaving us in the green tech dust, ramping up renewable energy and EV production.

[-] bigschnitz@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Google forced labour in China yourself, it isn't my responsibility to provide resources to those choosing wilful ignorance or living under a rock when there's masses of well documented human rights violations and masses of evidence documenting appallingly negligent mining and manufacturing practices.

[-] blazera@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Yes, its your claim its your responsibility. Show me the forced labour at the BYD facilities producing the $11k Seagull im talking about. Show me their negligent manufacturing practices.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago

Piss off, tankie

[-] TAG@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The Chinese cars that are half price don't include any safety features, have a theoretical top speed of 80 mph, and a battery range of 100 miles. Those ones would never make it to the US even without tariffs.

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

Where in America can you legally drive over 80mph?

[-] TAG@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

An advertised top speed of 80 means that, assuming you have ideal road conditions, tire conditions, are on a flat road, have no wind, and a long distance to get up to speed, you will hover at 78. There are plenty of places with a 65 mph speed limit, wind, and a big hill. Besides, most people will occasionally exceed the speed limit to "overtake traffic".

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Texas, actually. Some sections of highway are 85 mph.

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Big state need big speed for small travel.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Parts of California. I believe I-5 has an 85mph speed limit in the big empty bits.

[-] andrewth09@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

(1) My shitbox 2006 Honda can go up to 120mph stock. They engineer cars to go twice their typical operating speed so the mechanical parts are not overstressed during normal operation. Imagine if you were trying to pass on the highway at 80 and your car literally tore itself apart.

(2) South Dakota

[-] blazera@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago

Slow the hell down

[-] pacoboyd@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

Sounds perfect for my needs.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

The Chinese cars that are half price don’t include any safety features, have a theoretical top speed of 80 mph

I had an s10 like that.

[-] blazera@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Yes it includes safety features, and 80 is plenty

[-] JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I realize this isn't why you mentioned the range of those vehicles, but I like to point out where I can that only a single digit percentage of all driven trips are more than fifty miles.

More to the point of the thread, if people could get over this reason for not buying electric, there could be much cheaper options by halving the battery capacities in these vehicles. Of course that would mean the manufacturers would have to make them, which seems unlikely. Worthwhile to point out though I think.

[-] TAG@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I am not saying it is right, but many people online demand that their EV be able to go much more than 200 miles/charge. I am not sure if that is a majority opinion or just a very vocal minority.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Probably because most people have occasional trips of >150 miles and they don't want to have to work out alternative transportation for those trips

[-] UnpluggedFridge@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Chinese EVs subsidized with prison labor and CCP funds to undercut the market and stagnate long-term innovation, what a boon to humanity!

[-] blazera@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago

Those damn Chinese prisoners working in advanced technological factories.

China investing in their EV companies is a good thing. Undercut the absolute fuck out of this overpriced gas guzzling SUV market.

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