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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by doublepepperoni@hexbear.net to c/urbanism@hexbear.net

Just this week in Vantaa, Finland three 12-year-old girls piled onto one of those electric scooters you subscribe to with an app and proceeded to get run over by a car at a crossing, killing one of them

The app is supposed to have an age restriction but it's easy to bypass and you're not supposed to have more than one person riding on one, which people routinely ignore

I hate seeing kids and teens speeding around dangerously on those fucking things and then just leaving them laying around on high-traffic bike routes because they don't give a shit since they treat the scooters as completely disposable

Fucking awful bazinga-brained Silicon Valley-ass idea and business model. Actually, there are also bikes you can use with an app but curiously you don't see kids doing reckless shit with those, almost as if electric scooters were uniquely terrible thonk

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[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 23 points 5 months ago

The anti scooter opinion on hexbear is really fucking weird to me, real ranting "the kids these days!!" type shit and just really weird in the context of the rest of Hexbear's opinions on public transit. Like the electric scooters cause some wires to cross in y'all's minds that just breaks something

Just this week in Vantaa, Finland three 12-year-old girls piled onto one of those electric scooters you subscribe to with an app and proceeded to get run over by a car at a crossing, killing one of them

Children killed BY A CAR but let's ban the scooter?

they treat the scooters as completely disposable

idk chief maybe they can like idk charge a deposit? this isn't a situation to be like "we've tried nothing and im out of ideas, ban scooters"

almost as if electric scooters were uniquely terrible

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[-] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 months ago

nah dawg they are super annoying as it is the people who ride them are the problem. as someone who bikes everyday, statistically i will have to deal with some scooter dbag dude (always a dude) not following the rules and making the road unsafe for everyone, whether it's pedestrians, cyclists, or drivers. never once heard them use their bell or signal.

[-] Hexagons@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago

I can try to square that circle for you. Here's my (I think pretty reasonable) take on scooters:

Right now, with city infrastructure the way it is, they're terrible. There's nowhere to ride them safely, they get left on sidewalks and bike paths, they're just extremely dangerous right now, whether you're riding one or just being around them.

But. They don't have to be like this! Get rid of cars, put racks of scooters next to train stations and bus stations, have a bit of societal education about how to ride them safely, and boom! Great solution to the last mile problem! If there are convenient places to park them people won't leave them on random sidewalks. If streets are full of scooters instead of cars, and if we get some rules of the road engrained in the public consciousness, then they won't be dangerous, either for the rider or surrounding pedestrians and cyclists.

They could be (and should be) a great innovation, but their current implementation is so, so fucking bad, and leads to serious danger and accidents.

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago

What do these things have over a bicycle

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago
[-] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

You're not helping the case for scooters here

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

anti scooter opinion on hexbear is really fucking weird to me

Do you live in an area where scooters create issues?

Scooters are a solution in search of a problem if you live in a place that already has other sustainable means of transport (separated bike lanes, reliable public transit). Vantaa is one of those places. The scooters do not solve a problem that exists here.

People ride these things on the sidewalks all the time, itโ€™s fucking annoying. Maybe there is a way to improve them like reducing their speed limits and adding noises like EVs have.

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