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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I'm sorry, are you actually justifying voting for a dictator?

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml -5 points 4 months ago

i'm expounding upon my difficulty in justifying my vote for biden; before the genocide i was going to hold my nose and do it and now i'm no longer sure i can even do that.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Because Trump won't continue to aid in that genocide despite already saying he would?

It's going to be either Trump or Biden. If you don't vote for Biden, you risk getting the dictator. That should be a very easy choice for you.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

biden is actively enabling a genocide right now and has done something similar for several others in the last few decades as a senator; meanwhile trump has only fantasized about helping a genocide.

it would be an easier choice it he would just stop helping genociders.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Again, Trump will be no different on that front. That is simply a non-issue when it comes to which of them to vote for. And, also again, it's either going to be Trump or Biden.

[-] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah but squid, Biden is a bad man!

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml -4 points 4 months ago

also again: biden has enabled more genocides than than trump ever has.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

You're still justifying voting for a dictator over a non-dictator. It should be a simple choice. Either you're for American fascism or against it. It doesn't matter what Biden has done. It matters whether or not you want a dictator.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

american facism is already here; biden and trump are merely two different flavors of it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

What a ridiculous thing to say. Biden doesn't have a plan to put all the migrants into concentration camps or to suppress queer people or anything else in Project 2025's list of goals, which Trump will implement.

So either you are not aware of Project 2025 and how it will lead to another genocide, possibly more than one, or you only care about one genocide.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml -2 points 4 months ago

What a ridiculous thing to say. Biden doesn’t have a plan to put all the migrants into concentration camps

he doesn't need a plan; he's currently doubling down on trump's plan.

or to suppress queer people or anything else in Project 2025’s list of goals, which Trump will implement.

biden has advocated for this his entire career and has only made token gestures otherwise to get votes; hyperbolic arguments are moot when you've already survived them.

So either you are not aware of Project 2025 and how it will lead to another genocide, possibly more than one, or you only care about one genocide.

they don't have enough time to catch up to biden's level of enabling genocides before the next election. also most of the other genocides have already been committed so it makes sense to care about the active ones.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Sorry... most of the genocides have already been committed? Migrants have been rounded up and forcibly deported en masse? Trans people have been forced to go underground? Queer people have been erased from history?

That's what you don't mind happening apparently.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sorry… most of the genocides have already been committed?

that biden enabled: yes

Migrants have been rounded up and forcibly deported en masse?

biden is doing this right now

Trans people have been forced to go underground? Queer people have been erased from history?

biden has advocated doing this for decades and his token gestures have only served to give bigots legal protection for their bigotry.

That’s what you don’t mind happening apparently.

that's why i don't want to see more by voting for a person with a decades long track record of doing so.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Biden is doing nothing of the sort and Biden is not doing that to queer people. You're just lying to provide cover for Trump now.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago

the immigration thing is literally in the news right now.

doing anything negative to queer people would make him lose votes with the democratic base, so he doesn't; just like he's done in the past.

i will not vote for trump

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Sorry... you're arguing that doing nothing to hurt queer people because the base doesn't want him to is fascism now?

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago

sexual liberation and identity has fallen in and out of favor in american hegemony before and it will happen again; go ahead and keep moving that goal post.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I don't have to move a goalpost between 'genocide' and 'not genocide.' All you're saying to me here is that the queer genocide candidate that will also support the Palestinian genocide is fine, but the one not participating in a genocide of queer people is bad.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

... All you’re saying to me here is that the queer genocide candidate that will also support the Palestinian genocide is fine, but the one not participating in a genocide of queer people is bad.

I'm not supporting either candidate and there is no queer genocide in the United States nor will there be; speaking in hyperbole makes you seem unhinged and I want to trade ideas w someone who speaks in facts.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

The genocide has already begun. And not by Biden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020s_anti-LGBT_movement_in_the_United_States#Anti-trans_laws

I'm sure you're aware of those laws being passed.

Again, it's just not a genocide that seems to bother you.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Those laws all suck and they're along the same vein as the laws that Biden had voted for and supported in the past (ie doma, 10450, dadt).

The definition of genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular group with the aim of destroying that group; and nothing you have shared matches that description.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The definition of genocide is not that simple. If it were, you must think Palestinian genocide started in 2023. I hope you don't. That would also suggest that the Trail of Tears was not a genocide. I also hope you are not going to make that argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions

And you already said Biden won't do anything to oppress queer people because the base doesn't want him to. So you are saying that not committing genocide is the same as committing genocide while denying genocide. Excellent job. I'm not sure why you won't admit that queer genocide is just not that big a deal to you because that's what you keep dancing around.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

i got so high earlier tonight that it felt like it was the first time for too brief of a moment.

i realized that the shit biden put me through sucked and that i wouldn't wish it on anyone and now i have an infinitesimally small chance of helping make sure that it doesn't happen to anyone else. plus it helps the progress made last a little bit longer this time around the world's historical political pendulum. it's not the right decision, but it's also not the wrong one.. the wrong one will recreate what i had to go through for others.

i think i need to get high more often; it would be a lot easier to do if sugar free and delicious edibles were a thing.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Trump.enabled Russia's action in Ukraine, which some would say aims to be genocide as well, and on a larger scale.

So it's a choice between genocide, or two genocides and fascism in the US. I know it's a shit choice, between bad and worse, but one of those two people is going to be elected. Personally I am going to vote against worse.

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