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The gaslighting will continue until morale improves.
The people here are either delusional or trying to convince themselves they didn't see a disaster of a debate.
"So he didn't somersault onto stage" That... That's not the issue here
Legitimately I can't tell how much of it is self-delusion and how much is just blatant lying. Either way, these geriatric ghouls don't deserve this level of mental gymnastics.
Even liberal media like the NYT are admitting it, and we can all see him with our eyes, I don't see what this sort of blatant denialism is supposed to accomplish other than demonstrating in-group loyalty.
It's not even in-group loyalty. In-group loyalty would be having the decency not to gaslight homies.
It is blue MAGAism. I've kept telling it people here for months and kept being shunend with the same ridiculous lines of argumentation. Either on Bidens health or for me more importantly on how supporting genocide is somehow a good and acceptable thing, because god forbid we demand and enforce a non genocide non neoliberal candidate.
Which brings me to another point. Trump was on brand. Everything he said was more or less predictable. Meanwhile Biden trying to talk about social justice and tax justice was clearly not his tune. So not only did the campaign managers not manage to prepare him for Trump being Trump. They gave him stuff to talk about, he doesn't talk about normally, making his performance even less believable.
I don't get what blue maga actually means. Does it get tossed both ways?
And I get frustrated that peeps can agree with others like 95 percent of the time then get absolutely shit on for having a differing opinion. If I can make a chain from what you said to a bad outcome with logical fallacies you're obvs a nazi.
Yeah. Trump was Trump. I've never bothered watching his insanity so I don't know if/how much he's declining. But he's a known quantity and not super interesting.
Blue MAGA as in dogmatically following and defending the leader, while deflecting any valid criticism with extreme vitriol. I have been called a secret Trump advocate for saying that Biden is a genocide supporter and in declining mental health. Pointing out that the Dems could have propped up a better candidate and need to do that, was met with attacks.
Saying that they are alienating minority voters was met with racist attacks against those minorities, claiming them to be dumb. Actually they willing to face much more threats than the white upper class liberal from a Trump presidency, but they have the backbone to say that genocide is a red line and they understand that if they accept one genocide the next one is coming, until they are the ones being genocided.
Any notion that the Democrats are an establishment party that is playing with fire by continuing down their establishment road instead of working towards being a real progressive alternative that most people would love to vote for, was shunned.
It is political delusionalism, fueled by gas lighting from the DNC cabal. Instead of motivating their base, instead of providing a vision and inspiration they chose to gaslight, shame and threat their base into submission. That is how you build a cult and that is how you destroy any progressive political movement. Because then all people are left with is fear of loosing out, which is easily exploited by fascists like Trump.
They did the same shit with Hilary. Just memory holed anything negative.
We need electoral reform that removes as much strategic voting as possible.
I don't think this would convince anyone, but Trump has shown that lying about every fucking thing can convince some people. Maybe a less dumb version of this meme could move the needle for someone who is on the fence and hasn't watched the debate. (There are dozens of them out there)
No idea why this was posted here though, or how so many people approve of it. It's the dumbest shit I've ever seen. I guess there's a lot more people on the platform who have legitimate Trump derangement syndrome and find this acceptable than I would've thought.
That loyalty is a goal in itself for people not knowing any better.
For others it's a way to make Trump win.
What I don't get is how RFK Jr is still seen as something worse than a senile man and a man with terminal stages of neurosyphilis. He just has brain damage and some overvalued ideas, very well known and clear. While these two are simply not functional.
But then maybe it's good I live in another part of the world.
Alternative is 4 years of more maga federal judges causing multiple generations of damage. It doesn't matter at all about Bidens health. He has advisors. He has a vice president. No one would be filling federal benches in sewage. That it all that matters.
What does that have to do with anything? Did you reply to the wrong comment?
Sounded like you were saying "just calling it raspy voice is gas lighting"
Yes, which it is. What does that have to do with anything you said?
Because his voice/health has absolutely nothing to do with the election and shouldn't change any vote from Biden since his health is of no consequence whatsoever.
Uhm yes? That is the entire point. It is a stressfull job and you need to be at full mental and sufficient physical capacity to handle it. Biden showed that he is not up to it anymore. Trump also is starting to show signs of decline, but he is further ahead of the curve than Biden is.
Either candidate is unfit for office, but for Biden health is the crucial issue. And old age is not something you can recover from. Just statistically it is entirely reasonable to expect either one of them to die in office.
In the unique situation that the country finds itself in with an authoritarian destructive candidate is that any mid alternative is golden. In any other election then less important things like the health of the leader of one of the parties(pres candidate) does matter.
In our situation if the mid party leader dies then he is replaced by another mid. The identity of the mid is of no consequence at all.
And that is why Trump won in the first place in 2016. This line of thinking does not work. People are rightfully scared of seeing a weak old men being put up to run the most powerful and most dangerous country in the world. And people cannot feel that voting for Biden will be the right choice, because our animal brains rightfully demand a leader to have the qualities of a leader.
We weren't talking about the election or who to vote for, we were talking about his health. You can say that his health isn't relevant to the question of who you should vote for, but you're the one who brought that up in the first place. I'm just responding to a lie.
It's literally just whataboutism, or a non sequitur. If a Trump supporter says something objectively false and I correct them, it would not a valid response for them to bring up problems with Biden in response to that. In the same way, if a Biden supporter says something objectively false and I correct them, then it is not valid to respond to that by talking about problems with Trump.
I'm allowed to keep you people honest, even if acknowledging reality is inconvenient for your narratives or goals.
If you can't keep up, I don't know what to tell you.
Ok then, here's my response:
There are strong ethical and practical arguments for going vegan, including reducing animal suffering and carbon emissions and reducing the risk of food contamination.
If you question how that relates to the conversation and isn't just a complete non sequitor, then you can't keep up and I don't know what to tell you.
Cool story bro
Debates are little more than performances and Joe completely shit the bed.
This. Debates mattered 20+ years ago, when Candidates had just a few opportunities to talk about who they are, what they've done, what they want to do, and why those qualities make them the best choice for President.
Now, we have a near inescapable connection to politics. The content of the message is known, and the only reason for debate is confrontation, and delivery is all that matters.
tbf, debates have the potential to cut through the bubbles people put themselves in. You're not seeing a manacured presentation of potential policy, you're seeing it actively challenged...
At least, that's the idea
I'm sure I didn't originate that, but it's fun to see it said.