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but you are, because you're not voting biden in a two horse race.
They call it first past the post for a reason. you're voting for some cunt still in the stable
Genocides happening either way. you sitting home and sulking about it wont make it better.
Life is too complex to be a single issue. There is more than a single issue facing the world
Be this guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/11rrvt/be_this_guy/
Good for that guy. His beliefs were just and moral. He didn't have any options though. Hitler and the Nazis were already in power.
You have an option. You're acting like you're brave just like this guy but I bet he wished more people voted for the candidate that wasn't Hitler.
In our case, Biden and Trump are both Hitler because they’re both supporting a genocide. The crowd in that photo are a mix of Democrats and Republicans, and that guy is the people saying “I won’t support either of you”.
They aren't both Hitler though. One is unquestionably worse than the other even if you only look at that single issue. One of them WILL be the next president whether you like it or not. You can have a say in who that will be, or you can go with righteous indignation and let the worse option win by default.
It’s not righteous indignation. It’s making difficult moral decisions according to one’s conscience.
I’m aware there could be consequences if Trump wins. But I will not let fear for my own safety steer me towards supporting a genocide.
Like that guy. Who, according to reports, was punished for his failure to salute by being put into penal military service, where he was killed.
Be that guy means be that guy.
It absolutely is righteous indignation. You aren't in the same situation as that guy and you aren't being brave. Palestinians in Gaza will not be thanking you if Trump becomes president.
I’m not in the same situation as that guy. I am not claiming to be brave. I’m a little worried (like we all are), but my life is not in imminent danger.
But I am trying to do the right thing, and I hope that if things get worse and I do end up in a situation like that man that I will be brave and continue to do the right thing. That’s the lesson I’m taking from him.
Here's a puzzle for you. A group of three men go to a hotel, and they each pay $10 for a room, for a total of $30. Afterwards, the manager remembers that there's a deal where you can get 3 rooms for $25, so he gives $5 to the bellboy and tells the bellboy to return it to the men. But the bellboy returns just $1 to each of the men, and pockets the remaining $2.
So the men each paid $9, for a total of $27. The bellboy pocketed $2. Where did the other dollar go?
It’s an informal fallacy.
And the answer is that "Where did the other dollar go?" is a nonsensical question when you understand the situation correctly. But a lot of people who first hear it don't understand the situation correctly.
Likewise, "You're helping Trump by voting third-party" is a nonsensical when you understand the situation correctly, but many people don't at first understand the situation correctly.
Are you sure we don't understand it correctly? Trump won in 2016 in part due to the righteous indignation of people that refused to vote for Clinton. Third party spoiler candidates are not a new phenomenon.
And would those people have suddenly switched to Clinton if no third-party candidate was available?
Most probably wouldn't have voted at all but that doesn't change the math. In a US presidential election, voting third party and not voting at all are equivalent in every practical sense.
Right. So, part of the problem with “Voting third-party means supporting Trump” is that it presumes I would have otherwise voted for Biden.
And I wouldn’t have. Because he’s committing genocide.
Also, when third-party candidates start to get traction, they can pull votes away from Trump as well as Biden.
And if enough people vote third-party, we can start to defeat both Trump and Biden. Even small amounts of support for third-party candidates can lead to a third-party winning seats in congress if that support is concentrated in particular districts, like college towns. And in an evenly divided congress, a few seats can control the balance of power and have a big impact.