313
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 01 Jul 2024
313 points (97.9% liked)
News
23287 readers
1455 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Dropping DEI makes sense. Just hire the best person for the job, regardless of skin color.
Good thing there's absolutely no evidence of racism when it comes to hiring people, am I right?
https://nationalfund.org/racial-bias-in-hiring-practices-widens-the-black-white-wealth-disparity/
But do tell me you think a resume by a woman named LaShonda has a chance of being taken as seriously by a white HR manager than a resume by a woman named Mary often enough for this to not be a problem.
"1 in 6 Hiring Managers Have Been Told to Stop Hiring White Men"
"48% have been asked to prioritize diversity over qualifications"
-Source
I have now shown you evidence of racism when it comes to hiring people. I would appreciate if you would not make such a statement in the future.
Your source is resumebuilder.com
Be serious.
Also, their methodology is shit and they don't give anyone credit for writing that. And you just accept it uncritically.
What you call racism is actually society pushing back against racism. We would all appreciate it if you stopped supporting bigotry now and forever.
Telling one to stop hiring individuals based on their race isn't pushing back against racism, it's just racism.
You just won't concede that racism exists, and has existed in this country since its founding, will you?
I mean, that's the crux of the argument.
Either our country's education system failed you terribly and you're just incapable of continued learning, or you know fhe history and don't care.
No, it's exactly, precisely, not racism.
You didn't "show evidence" you utter fucking cabbage – you just went conclusion shopping on Google to find the first fucking piece of unsourced "trust me bro" garbage that you thought would support your opinion.
Tell me you don't know anything about DEI without... oh ffs I don't even have energy for this this morning, and you could honestly learn a lot just using Google. We both know you have no interest in learning even the tiniest bit though.
Company after company have made statements they will have x% of certain positions filled by people of specific races. You don't achieve that without taking race into consideration when choosing people to work there.
No. What they're being told is to hire all races in proportion to their population in the country. White people are not better at doing anything than other races.
Taking race into consideration acknowledges the struggles which have been imposed onto people of other races by the dominant race that has always held most power in American society. Acknowledging that other races have the right to exist equally is NOT racism. Refusing to treat them equally absolutely is. The only reason society has to push these policies is because white people in power cannot be trusted to treat others equally, as you keep demonstrating.
I think this is doing a disservice to one of the goals of DEI. White people are more qualified for certain types of jobs because historically they've had better access to education and healthcare. Even if access has become more equal lately, there are still other barriers that take longer to remove (eg. being the first person in the family to go to university, not having wealthy parents, etc.)
DEI can counterbalance this.
That has nothing to do with racial attributes though, just with racist systems. This distinction is important, and intentionally ignored by people who whine about diversity, equality, and inclusion.
Of course. I just think it's important to mention that there are societal reasons why there is a higher percentage compared to the general population of qualified whites applying for a job.
The worst thing that actually happens is if they happen to meet with two applicants with the same exact skill level, they will hire the one from the more diverse background.
Also if a bigot happens to be e.g. a "10x developer" (does not truly exist), I wouldn't want them anywhere near my company.
What you and most other anti-DEI people fail to realize is there inherent value in having people on the team from different backgrounds with different views and ways of finding solutions. The best person for the job is not necessarily the person who has the most training or experience in an area. Outside the box thinking often leads to better outcomes, so there is value in having people who think about/see the world in different ways.