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Great, now you're not talking even of Russia as a country, but of Russians as a people, and calling them universally monsters, whether they're peasants under the Russian Empire, workers in the Soviet Union, or citizens under the Russian Federation. Nice way to show everyone here that yes, your whole point here is Russophobia, not legitimate and credible analysis of history and societies.
Again, as I said, impossible to discuss with most Polish people, you're not arguing from reason but from nationalism and racism. Good night, and good luck
I will let you know the same will be for any other country that was under soviet occupation.
It is one of life's great mysteries. Never to be solved. We just cannot connect the dots!
Nope again... Here's the real context. We were talking about Russian governments. I stated that I didn't need to make a distrinction, as it was clear that I was talking about the Russian government both past and present as I then outlined several issues that the government is the only actor in, not the people themselves.
Try again.
And yet you've failed to address ANY concern I've brought up. Conveniently ignoring every premise I've brought up to counter your bullshit.
Uh huh... That's absurdly funny as I'm actually a dual citizen. I've made no assumptions about you or your statuses, and yet you've made plenty about mine. But somehow I'm nationalist and racist. Look in the mirror. All you've done is attributed nonsense to me based on limited information, classical "racism".
Lets simplify this. Answer either one of these items... Remember both are cited questions.
Edit: Keep in mind I even took the BEST of your comments... You seem to be under some belief that the USSR never committed atrocities and genocide levels of damage to Poland. You're already wrong.
In 1945, the soviets installed a friendly communist government in Poland, while granting it again the right to be an independent country, kind of proving that the objective from the start wasn't "to conquer Poland because Russians are so evil", but to not have enemies in their borders. There were purges of anticommunists as everywhere else in the soviet block.
Now I'll ask you: in 1989 and forwards, with the Solidarity movement. Do you believe that's a grassroots movement which spawned purely in Poland, with the only goal of freedom and democracy, and wasn't in any way influenced by other countries? Hint: USA? The 1989 "revolution" was completely autonomous and legitimate and now Poland is finally a completely free state?
Funny how the purported opinion of polish citizens about Russia isn't affected by propaganda, but the french polls are somehow.
I never claimed anything like that. I'm aware of the Katyn massacre and the purges of anticommunists in the USSR on a widespread level, just not particularly against Poland.
Sorry, only Polish people actually believe that. There's no international body as far as I know which makes any claim of genocide towards Polish by the USSR.
Alright we're done. You can't even keep your own shit straight.
So not a country with it's own freedom at all then. I thought you said they were free. Imagine telling a country it's free when the USA installs whatever government it chooses.
Man oh man. I'm so glad that the Katyn massacre affected other countries other than Poland! Feel free to tell the class how this wasn't "particularly against Poland".
For those who don't know...
So basically the death count of Palestine right now... which has been labeled a genocide by the UN and multiple other parties. This is JUST that one event. Not including the USSR's "anticommunist purge". Which is estimated to have killed more than 100,000 Poles and Deported Millions more (most of them likely dying as population of Siberia and other places they were sent to didn't see a matching population boost).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_citizens_(1939%E2%80%931946)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Poles_(1944%E2%80%931946)
Oh and before you say something really fucking stupid...like "Poland wanted to be soviet controlled".
Why would they want to be Soviet controlled when they specifically broke ties with Russia over the Katyn massacre?
No it's not funny at all. It's expected that normal people wouldn't know about every military operation that occurred during WW2. Specifically the US landing at Normandy and other similar operations. When I talk about the opinion of my family it's first hand experience of how they lived. There's a distinct difference in how you would expect a person to know about the events.
And before you comment again...
Fucking 6 million Poles died in WW2. 1/6th of that was Russia.
Millions of poles died to Soviet hands. Mostly on foreign soil that they were forced to. Imagine causing 1/6th of the total losses of a war and then claiming that the Soviets were a godsend!. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_Poland
But nah! Totally not Genocide at all! And Russia hasn't even owned up to some extent that they did it! I'm sorry, you're fucking wrong and this conversation is done.