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Labour wins majority in UK General Elections as Tories lose two-thirds of seats
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i hope this is an omen for what is to happen in the US
I think it's important to note that the primary reason the conservative party lost many of their seats is because their vote was split between them, and an even more right wing party led by Nigel Farage. It wasn't because of a huge shift to the left (or at least the centre left position the labour party occupy right now).
In my constituency for example, if you put the conservative + reform votes together, they would have beaten the nearest competitor by a country mile.
i think the primary reason was that the tories were a tragic, worthless mess and the reform racists were there to pick up the protest vote and the lib dems, the others. the low turn out were the tories that couldn't even be bothered.
i see the republicans in a very similar situation
That's what I originally thought would be the case. But, just statistically (looking at voter share here):
2019: Cons: 43.6% Lab: 32.1% LD: 11.6% SNP: 3.9%
2024: Lab: 33.7% Cons: 23.7% Reform: 14.3% LD: 12.2% (Weirdly, wikipedia has yet to include reform in their share ranking had to use BBC)
Labour picked up less than 2% more of the vote share. Reform took the vast majority of the tory lead away.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the tories are out. But, it's mostly because reform split the vote and Labour were second place in most constituencies. This is important to bear in mind while the conservatives sort themselves out to decide how they deal with not being right wing enough..
By that statement though, the LibDems split the left vote and so if your going to compare, you'll need to add the liberal vote to the Labour as that's where they would go if LibDems disappeared.
You could be right, but I am not so sure.
In terms of percentage, the lib dems made a smaller gain than labour. I'd also suggest that while maybe some of those votes came from wavering labour voters, I expect that at least a similar number would have also come from the tories. I don't think the lib dems split the vote any more than they normally do.
Reform, while not new, last time round they did not compete against the tories. This time, they did and the result is clear.
I'm not talking about gains, LibDems already split the vote, Reform is just now doing the same to the Tories.
LibDems are not the same as the Tories. However I would concede that if the LibDems folded, the membership could easily move to Green.
Many of them, yes. But there's also a significant share who'll vote Lib Dem or Tory, but not Labour.
Citation required for that.
The Liberal Party, which is now the modern LibDems, was founded as opposition to the Tories. Their values are completely different, which is why most LibDem voters were concerned about the coalition.
Labour was founded to represent workers rights, the Greens for the planets rights, and the LibDems for social rights.
The Tories are toxic for all three of those.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c888523y90mo
As per the initial comment, those that didn't vote Tory mostly moved to Reform not to LibDem.
Because LibDem wouldn't make sense, as a pro-trans, pro-EU, pro-increase tax to pay for public services party they don't offer anything that Tories want.
That was a wishful thinking comment that some Tories might want to not move far-right, those that find the Tories unpalatable due to their shitty views have already moved.
I would suggest that your more likely to find folks who voted LibDem to move to Green now that they've rebranded themselves to something other than crusty hippies. I know my mother moved from voting LibDem to Green.
Bold of you to assume voters care about consistency or policies. For many Tory upporters in the Home Counties, southeast, southwest and east London, voting Labour would be a bridge too far. But the Lib Dems might be an acceptable alternative. There's a reason the main left of centre party in these regions is the Lib Dems, and not Labour.
Many of them, yes. But there's also a significant share who'll vote Lib Dem or Tory, but not Labour.
just because numbers didn't change much doesn't mean voters didn't
i think a lot of labour voters in struggling communities went to reform which means labour got voters from elsewhere to keep up their percentage.
who know what the reform voters will do when they realise their vote was wasted in 5 years. also a lot of tactical voting will unwind.
I think it's important to note that the primary reason the conservative party has had many of their seats in the past is because the left/socially progressive vote was split between labour, lib Dems and the greens.
Which would make the best chance to keep Trump out would be a third candidate that was a "moderate" republican. Somebody that took the more centrist base away from him.
The US is going to have Trump. Biden is too senile to be president again and people know it. That last debate probably demotivated many people to even go vote and they won't be voting for alternative candidates.
Maybe that'll teach people to vote for independents and the DNC to stop propping up geriatrics.
Have you heard Trump?
And the trump supporters are like "omg yeah you're so right, wow, isn't he clever"
The people considering voting or considering voting for Biden are a completely different demographic from the people voting for Trump, so this comparison is meaningless.
It is?
nah he can be a better president than trump from his death bed
Still voting against trump, even if the alternative is a baked potato with googly eyes glued on it; trump is too dangerous, particularly with the recent Supreme Court rulings.