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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by UlyssesT@hexbear.net to c/movies@hexbear.net

I watched the entire video, but I timestamped the link to where I believe it matters most for any comrade that ever liked Star Trek, liberal idealistic and quasi-militaristic flaws and all, and would like to see a succinct and thorough summary of what they might have already felt, may have already inductively collected for themselves, but got it drowned out by "well the TNG gang got together by the end of Picard Season 3 so just enjoy it like a popcorn movie, 4/5" or even worse brainworms like "section 31 is based and it's just cold hard reality that such an agency would have to exist for the Federation to exist, just like in based Deep Space 9 which was totally about wars and genocidal biowarfare plots and how cool and necessary they are."

The Trek fandom site in the Lemmyverse is loaded with insufferable liberal/libertarian brainworms and a fair amount of Thermian Arguments that justify anything that was presented on screen as not only good, but necessary if they were done by protagonist characters, and not just the flaws, weaknesses, and (for lack of a better term) sins of characters that weren't intended to be infallible, let alone blindly emulated, no matter how cool it was when Sisko punched Q or whatever.

TL;DR: I hope comrades find value in this concluding section of a much larger video, or maybe even watch the whole thing, which I also think is worthwhile. Also, I fucking despise Section 31 apologists because they make the Lemmyverse's Trek site unbearable for me. If Kurtzman gets his way (especially with that Section 31 series he keeps jerking off about), Trek will become increasingly murderfucky gory edgy black ops obsessed bootlicking schlock with a vague and redundant nostalgia flavor.

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[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'd just like to remind everyone that Discovery S1 is completely plagiarized from some small indie game on Steam. Even though the poor guy lost the lawsuit, its pretty fucking obvious the writers had someone use literal google results for inspiration.

I loved her video and this is a great compilation but others have made the same criticisms for some time now. The RLM reviews go over most of these issues in a much shorter time.

I did not know about the Patrick Stewart biography thing but it only serves to show how much of a useless piece of shit he is. I do not care about the whatever good contributions he may have made or said, he can go die in a fire.

If you haven't already I recommend once again reading FADE IN: From Idea to Final Draft. PDF here. Its not like Michael Piller is a saint or anything but the Patrick Stewart letters should be put in any Trek museum IMO.

Again the quotes I love from PS

PS letter quotes

One deliberate change we made was to Picard. We toughened him up, chipped away at his smooth surface, roughened and intensified his feelings. Shifted him from Captain/ Diplomat/Philosopher to Captain/Rebel/Activist.

I feel that, in a sense, we had reinvented ourselves - or had begun to. The ‘story’ of the series was over and we were now telling a different story with our movies. That is what I want to see continue.

That is the background to the unease that I feel with this new story. It seems to reflect the series much more than where we were at the end of First Contact. This compounded by Michael referring back several times to aspects of the series you want to see in this film. That is what I see as retrograde and dangerous and, ultimately, dull.

The family building aspect of TNG is passed. Not dead, but the work is done. Most of our audience know who these people are and how they feel about each other and our new audience - the audience the studio are so eager for us to win and hold - don’t need to be told that. They will pick it up.

I don’t agree about our being explorers again. I think that is series material but not movie material. Heresy though this may be, I do not think our movie duty is “to seek out new life and new civilizations...” though it still is “to boldly go...”

I think there is real danger in the mindset that “there are certain things that our audience come to expect...”

And lastly - though far from leastly - sex and comedy. Two elements of life that I have come to think as critical in the TNG movies. I tell you I think our stories have got to be sexy. I don’t mean ‘sex scenes,’ God forbid, but a certain eroticism, a certain sexiness about our characters and situations is really helpful and fun. Let’s be honest, there is an inclination to stuffiness about our crew. For the same reason humor is vital and again I don’t mean set-piece scenes - though as I have said, Picard with the mariners could be a great sequence. I think our crew are adorable when they are witty, ironic, self deprecating, teasing, cheeky.

Yes, witty, ironic, self deprecating, teasing, cheeky are definitely traits that describe the TNG crew. God what a moron.

When she talks about Nemesis and the movies in general its important to realize just how terribly similar all of this is to the TNG movie era. You can read the nonsensical Patrick Stewart letters and how he so desperately wants to abandon the TV series.

Yeah they got PS because of Logan but Picard also turned out like this exactly because PS is an idiot that hates the TV series. If PS wanted it we could have had a more TNG relatable Picard series, but this idiot only wanted to make a statement about Brexit. The whole segment of why "Space Fox News" exist is exactly because of that mandate I'm 100% convinced. Yeah in the biography he brags about Season 2 but that was not his only input lol.

He said he didn't want a TNG "reunion". That was major bullshit, not only to shit on his fellow actors, but it would force the show back to the TV era. He always wanted to be a Movie Star^Tm^ like it was popular in the 90's and I fully believe that the Picard series was doomed from the start, PS would never come back to do actual real good TNG era Star Trek again, period. The success of X-Men did not change his mind, in 2018 he still wants nothing to do with the TV series.

Kurtzman and all are still complete assholes but its not like they could have made TNG 2.0 with Patrick Stewart either. It all just sucks for 30 years now.

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