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[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There are literally tens of thousands of people in academia who could build a transparent, open-source, non-profit publishing system of their own.

Why don't they?

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 86 points 2 years ago

There is a transitioning happening but progress churns slowly. I like to compare it to getting out of an abusive relationship.

https://sparcopen.org/our-work/big-deal-knowledge-base/unbundling-profiles/mit-libraries/

https://tagteam.harvard.edu/hubs/oatp/items

[-] xspurnx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago

It's happening in Germany as well. Universities are banding together to negotiate better deals with publishers - some subscriptions haven't been renewed when the publishers weren't forthcoming. It's not a solution (that would be the wide establishment of independent, self organized/hosted Open Access journals - using Open Journal Systems for example) but it's a start.

https://deal-konsortium.de/en/

[-] daddy32@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Corruption - at the highest level.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Well I don't know about "highest" level.

It's in some ways worse than that. it's institutional corruption and collusion across all levels of power within institutions. Not having access to pear review, journals, the gravitas, the funding sources:it creates a monopoly of power for all players in the system where they aren't benefited by opening up access

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

I don't know about other fields, but we did do this for AI. It's all community-run, papers are freely available for everyone to read, and the cost of submission in a peer-reviewed venue is to review other papers. The publishers don't actually provide anything of value except name recognition and being "reputable", which they maintain through momentum.

[-] xspurnx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Oh, could you share some links?

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Links to what?

[-] xspurnx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Sorry, I might have misunderstood - I thought there would be some journals employing that "review to submit" system you mentioned.

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Ah, yes. I just wasn't clear on whether you wanted to know more about the publication venues or about the value of publishers or something else.

In AI, we normally publish in conferences rather than journals. Some of the big ones are

There is a new journal I know of (TMLR) that's becoming a bit more popular in these circles, but I believe they rely solely on volunteers to review rather than asking those who submit papers.