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Japan says Chinese military violated territorial airspace for first time
(www.japantimes.co.jp)
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Then it seems like there's a leap of logic between "cargo plane" and "reconnaissance aircraft". Very possible it was just an inexperienced/behind schedule pilot cutting corners on the route.
Seems like a dick move to kill an entire plane full of people because someone decided to short-cut through your airspace.
In a vacuum, maybe. In the context of how China has been acting towards nearly all of their neighbors recently, not likely. This reeks of wolf warrior diplomacy.
The Western reporting coverage of Chinese military operations is slanted to paint China as an aggressor, in the same way Western reporting of Iraq in the early 2000s was slanted to paint Iraqis as terrorists.
You don't read about American military aircraft invading Japanese airspace because Japan is occupied territory. You don't read about Taiwanese aircraft invading Chinese airspace, because there's no defined territorial line between them on account of Taiwan being contested territory.
China sending a single Rambo-esque supersoldier in to liberate native peoples from an evil mercenary army?
China is literally aggressive in both active and passive ways, maybe some news outlets are exaggerating a little for clicks, but it's not by much
Japan isn't "occupied territory" they are a US ally who allows us to have a base there for rapid response and protection.
Lol, nah, Taiwan is a country the only one contesting it is China in the same way that Russia is "contesting" that Ukraine is their territory.
It's called strategic boundary pushing China has been known to do such things with their other neighbors
You reek of a China apologist
Are we doing the "Chinese Weather Balloon" hysteria again?
Starting in which year?
Where does Taiwanese airspace end and Chinese airspace begin? Would it surprise you to discover that Taiwan claims airspace over the south end of China?
I know folks on here love making the "East Taiwan" joke, but are you seriously going to argue that Xiamen and Fuzhou are also part of Taiwan?
If the US sent a bunch of weather balloons into Chinese airspace without any warning and they approached government and military sites, would you say the same thing?
Without explicit permission from the government it is a breach of sovereignty. The US had the right to annihilate all of those balloons the instant they passed into US airspace -- just like China has the right to destroy the hypothetical US balloons as soon as they pass into Chinese airspace.
For how often China beats the drum about sovereignty, they should know this.
China claimed Monday that the United States flew spy balloons into Chinese airspace more than 10 times since January 2022 without Beijing's permission, accusations that further ratcheted up tensions between the two countries amid mutual allegations of surveillance.
The US feds panicked at the bad press and created a rain of falling debris over South Carolina. Heck of a job.
It was over the waters of South Carolina since recovery was paramount. If they panicked theyd of shot it down over cow landia somewhere in the great planes.
And China would've been completely in the right if they shot those balloons down. It was a violation of their sovereignty. An ironic one, considering China did it first, but nonetheless, it enters their airspace without permission. China would be totally justified in shooting them down. I'm not sure why you think this is some sort of gotcha.
Additionally, they didn't panic at bad press. They were waiting for the balloon to clear land so that when they shot it down, the debris wouldn't rain down on anyone.
Once again, if these were truly just weather balloons for research, the university conducting the research and the Chinese government are incredibly negligent for not at least informing the US. For innocuous scientific research, there should be no problem with open communication.
Why does this picture place a US military base in Hong Kong?
Edit: also, identification zone =/= claimed airspace
US aircraft carriers patrol the territory regularly.
Ah yea, when people are concerned when a near-hostile country sends over unknown aircraft unannounced it's just "hysteria". Not like those weather balloons are perfectly capable of carrying bombs or biowarfare contagions or anything.....
April 28, 1952 when the San Francisco Peace Treaty that was signed on September 8, 1951 went into effect.
Here's a wikipedia article all about US-Japan relations since you appear to have flunked highschool history
A country's biggest trading partner losing control of a very-well-established-as-weather-balloon aircraft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Course
Fascinating stuff for a fully democratic and not-at-all militarily occupied country to undergo. If you're into Wikipedia articles, you should give it a read. Full consolidation of economic power under a few US-loyal Zaibatsus that dominate the country into the modern day. Rearming of a police force loyal to the occupying US government, which was dedicated to busting up unions and crippling the nascent labor-rights movement in the country. And rapid expansion of military bases, in the run up to the US invasion and aerial bombardment of the Korean Peninsula.
Least delusional tankie
China’s actions paint them as an aggressor.
You’re right that you don’t read about the US military invading Japanese territory as they are invited by the Japanese government. Countries are free to repeal that invitation just like Niger.
And no, I’m not referencing a movie.
Dude what? China’s near-daily incursions over Taiwan have escalated and escalated to an objectively ridiculous level. Nobody “painting” shit.
This is what we're defining as an "incursion over Taiwan".
Not a mistake anyone would make accidentally. They wouldn’t be allowed to fly near hostile territory without being well informed of the risks and consequences. This was a planned and deliberate action, or Chinas airforce is incompetent and can’t be trusted.
Both are dangerous and shouldn’t be tolerated in your territory.
It's a routine mistake that happens regularly, particularly when there is a large amount of traffic and a crop of younger personal.
We've flipped from "China is being too hostile" to "The US isn't being hostile enough".
But it turns out they're two sides of the same coin. Americans simply can't get enough war.
What part of this story involves the US lol
Don't you know that all the bad that's happening in the world, and I mean all of it, not some of it, not a lot of it, but ALL of it is the sole responsibility of the Great Satan?
And that all bad things are either done by the US, done by a US ally - forced to by the US as all US allies are occupied territories and have no agency - or exists solely in US propaganda, as countries free of US influence can never do bad?
Lol no, shitty private student pilots with tens of hours of experience don't break airspace, and I'm not talking about airspace boundaries between states, but about random ones within countries that you can request and get in a week and like 100 EUR.
Every single flight starts with a briefing on what airspaces you need to avoid, and what measures you will take to avoid them. At least if Chinese jet pilots have half the discipline of a Romanian crop duster.
Possible, but these are also the type of aircraft you would expect to see in mass during any naval conflict or blockading action against China. I believe the PLAAF/PLAN are working on their version of Rapid Dragon.
Relatively slow, but plentiful, cargo planes, would be a pretty obvious choice for launching a saturation attack against USN or Japanese forces operating outside the range of their land based missiles. Again, assuming they develop a similar system to Rapid Dragon.