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I'm also curious about y'all's take on imitation meat as well.

My assumption is no harm to foul but I am not educated on the subject. Also I mostly mean conceptually, I am aware that lab grown meat is no where near efficient or viable for mass production

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[-] Angel@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm ND as well, so we all handle this differently! One thing that I think is very important to note is that I find it important to push against this false idea that vegans have animosity to what meat is in the context of taste, texture, appearance, etc. This is a common myth that carnists believe, but it's not true. The problem with meat isn't any of those things; it's where it comes from—a victim.

It's also important to note that veganism is not an emotional stance. Someone can love the taste of meat, feel zero repulsion to what it is, and have no issues with how it looks and still find a logical reason to be vegan. There are people who do operate this way, and it's important to remove veganism from heavy emotional components like "compassion," "disgust," or even "tears" because even people who don't cry when they see a pig's throat getting slit should be able to logically process why they do not have a right to another creature's body.

Focusing so much on the aesthetics is what got you in that frame of thought it seems, but it's important to note that the aesthetics are a very small part, if even existent, of the battle. A world that goes so far to ban animal exploitation but still eats things that imitate animal flesh is a vegan world, even if the aesthetic is in the "meat" that they eat. It's about the mentality of rejecting that animals are resources for human beings to exploit, and if anything, saying "I enjoy the taste of this animal, but why should my sensory pleasure be placed above its right to live and be free? As inconvenient as it may seem to others, I'm going to start going out of my way to enjoy a similar taste while still granting the animal the respect it deserves." fulfills that a ton.

Also, the line starts seeming kind of arbitrary if we ask ourselves what exactly counts as "imitation meat." For instance, does tofu count as imitation meat because even though it's not a "direct" alternative? It's often used as one or even flavored and prepared in ways that makes it taste like certain dishes typically made with flesh, such as General Tso's tofu. Is it a problem if someone prepares jackfruit to taste like what someone knows as pulled pork?

It's also important to remember that carnists abuse the shit out of victim erasure. The reason why carnists can stomach eating meat so much is because, to them, steak is not a cow, pork is not a pig, and hell, chicken isn't even chicken! There's a reason why carnists say mind-numbing shit like "Eating meat is a personal choice!" They've gotten so detached from the notion of there being a victim, that it seems like they truly believe that there is no victim. However, I'd rather be detached from the notion of there being a victim because there actually isn't one.

In this vegan future, what I see, as someone with my kind of mentality, is these products existing but not being tied to their violent counterparts that their ancestors barbarically consumed eons ago. They're just their own thing. There are no more "chicken" nuggets. There are just nuggets made out of whatever they're usually made of at this point.

[-] Cammy@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

That makes a lot of sense. It's not about what I can view as acceptable consumption. It's about the actual material harm present.

I think I've been getting caught up on abstract hypotheticals when yeah some people just like the taste and texture of meat. I've got to accept that as a fact and not as a moral failing to correct.

I hate that every now and then I crave meat. I haven't eaten any in years, and I don't think I will again at this point. I didn't mean to start unpacking those feelings now, but I'm seeing it better after this conversation.

Your version of the future makes sense too. At As we improve the flavor and texture of nuggets, they may start to resemble meat in certain ways. They don't somehow become more or less ethical if the material harm to animals remains the same.

Seriously thank you for carrying this conversation with me. I'm trying to be a better vegan and this definitely helps.

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