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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 76 points 16 hours ago

Is...is an RV not shelter? I mean it's maybe not Permanent Housing but living in an RV is almost always gonna be better than being in a shelter. These libs are fucking monsters.

[-] regul@hexbear.net 39 points 16 hours ago

yeah but think of the valuable parking they're taking up!

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 25 points 14 hours ago

They’re stealing that parking area from poor self-driving taxi startups!

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 34 points 16 hours ago

The housing for the homeless in SF is a disgrace considering how wealthy that area is. From the Bluesky thread a post described the following article as...

Gee idk is the no food, the no cooking, no personal freedom, or the r*pes that might make people feel safer in their vehicles or on the street?

I only scanned this article - I'm sure there's (much) more that I didn't see.

Why do some SF homeless people choose the street over a bed?

Some complained of the shelters’ unsanitary conditions and dearth of food; residents are served two meals a day, the sites’ employees said. Others, particularly women concerned about sexual assault and harassment, have long complained about security and the lack of freedom to walk in and out of the shelters at will.

Rules that govern all city shelters forbid, among other “disruptive” behaviors, drug use, destruction of property, and the possession of unchecked weapons. Still, those affected by the sweeps described high rates of theft, crowded and chaotic living quarters, and unsympathetic staff. They criticized the congregate shelters’ lack of privacy, saying they would rather sleep in their own tent than in a room with dozens of strangers.

[...]

Across the city’s shelters, residents are required to sign in and out; it’s a simple way to keep track of peoples’ whereabouts while maintaining a low barrier for entry, staff said. Staff can’t force guests to stay or return. But this system, coupled with periodic wellness checks, allows them to monitor how often the shelters’ resources are being used. If someone is gone for more than 48 hours, they forfeit their bed.

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The city tries to make the most of the space it has, Cohen said. That means that some buildings, like Next Door, a former car dealership, have their eccentricities. “This reminds me of a prison setup,” said Marshall, the shelter’s housing director, pointing to a small room enclosed by glass at the center of the women’s floor that is used as a common area. “COs would be right here,” Marshall noted, using the acronym for “corrections officers.”

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 3 points 16 hours ago

Issue is where you park it, if you don't have permission to park it where it is that's trespassing.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 9 points 11 hours ago

oh no, oh god anything but that

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 24 points 15 hours ago

Trespassing is stupid abolish private property

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 9 points 15 hours ago

To and extend I'd agree. If you own a bunch of property you're not using then yes, people should be allowed to use it productively. Idk if I'd want to let people into my apartment to use my toothbrush.

Perhaps a controversial take: I honestly think the best short term solution to the homelessness problem is just for the city to buy/seize some vacant lots and let them be open camping zones. People get freaked out by this because of the whole "sanctuary zones" from Star Trek thing, but honestly I think it's probably better than having the population spread across the city living on side walks and parks. If you have one specific location where people can camp you can more easily provide services to them, have toilets and showers, send one of those mobile health clinic things parked there, maybe have some local orgs do soup kitchens to get people food.

The more permanent solution is to provide people fucking housing but that takes time.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 17 points 14 hours ago

A toothbrush is personal property not private property. I am a big believer in personal property but fuck private property. If you're using it it's personal. If you're holding onto it to try to extract monetary value out of it it's private.

Counterpoint: Everyone should just share Gavin Newsom's house. When he wakes up and sees the length of the toothbrush line, hopefully he'll reconsider ~~ever showing his face in public~~ some policies

[-] anonochronomus@hexbear.net 9 points 14 hours ago

Your apartment and your toothbrush are personal property, not private property. Theirs a distinction between the two.

[-] Owl@hexbear.net 6 points 14 hours ago

Your apartment and toothbrush are personal property, but Gavin Newsom's...

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 10 points 13 hours ago

After the revolution, Gavin Newsom will be expropriated. The person. He could be used as a cutting board or something.

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 5 points 14 hours ago

Yeah I know I just like making toothbrush jokes

[-] Owl@hexbear.net 7 points 14 hours ago

That's not the worst short term solution, but commandeering hotels is pretty quick too.

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 8 points 14 hours ago

Either San Fran or LA had some project to convert a bunch of abandoned motels into apartments for homeless people. They blew like 50 mil on it and I think they've yet to open a single unit because corruption and scummy contractors are so that bad in this shithole of a country. Hence why actually providing people with permanent housing is sadly gonna take a while in this county.

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