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California's 'click to cancel' subscription bill is signed into law
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That's literally how the government was designed though. Do you believe that there should be a Constitutional amendment to protect porn and ease of subscription cancellation? I agree that the system is flawed, but a win here deserves to be celebrated even though there was a loss somewhere else.
Is the company in question national or local to CA only? This is the defining line for laws like this. If a company cannot be distinguished from the services it provides in CA vs any other state then the laws of one state should influence all others since the company is not different between states. Unless they create a different website for each state then they will have a hard time verifying if a user really is from CA and be able to apply the law.
I could be visiting CA and sign up for something while there. My address is not CA, my billing address is not CA, I could be using a VPN connected to my home. But I am physically in CA and signed up for Planet fitness online. Now whose laws protect me? CA or my home state?
Reading the law, it looks like it applies if either the business or consumer is in California.
Ok but in a new situation, I signed up online while in CA. Now I am back home and forgot to cancel. How does one go about using the CA law to cancel? The website might have a link that says "CA residents click here" but what if it does a check and you can't prove by one click you were there in CA when you signed up? These laws then get really tricky to implement. Hence why these kinds of laws that affect national companies should be national laws. Interstate commerce makes it almost impossible to have state laws for this kind of thing.
If neither you nor the business are in California, the law does not apply.
That's not what I said. My original scenario applies. You sign up while physically in CA but you are not a CA citizen and used a VPN. But forgot to cancel while physically in CA. The company is national.
Your original scenario was that you were in CA when you signed up. Now you are not in California, right? If neither you nor the business are in California, the law does not apply.
Why is that? If you get stabbed in one state but end up in another before reporting the crime the jurisdiction of the crime falls to where the crime was committed not reported.
When you leave the state, you are no longer a consumer in CA, therefore they do not have to offer you the CA cancellation.
Also, I'm pretty sure this is a civil matter, not criminal.
for things to work out that way, the states would have to mutually accept such arrangements as valid. california cannot directly impose such laws vs other states but only can influence companies to apply it company wide.
basically some agreement has to be made in order to universally do it elsewhere, for example drivers licenses and marriage agreements are automatically acknowledged between states, even if a requirment for them or something related to it were to be illegal(e. g gay marriage) in a state. this mutual agreement doesnt apply to all laws.
There is a constitutional amendment that protects porn though. The first. What's changed in Texas isn't porn's legality, but restrictions on distribution (though yes, Texas's law is useless and completely misunderstands the internet's dynamics)
You do know there can be federal laws without requiring a constitutional amendment, yes?
Sarcasm is not lended to text very well. Can you understand that a state that makes a good law is a good thing and that nuance exists.
Please give me the nuance where a click to cancel law makes sense in California and not in all 49 other states.
You're being obtuse. I'm done here.
Flying squid is a Russian troll. Only EVER criticizes Democrats. I won't say block him, because that amplifies his reach, but interact with him on this basis. He is not discussing and never has discussed in good faith.
Because there is no such nuance. This should be a federal law. It isn't because the federal government has been too weakened by Republicans over decades. Which was my point.
I've been online for like 30 minutes and every post I'm going into has you arguing with someone. Are you doing alright today?
That's not true, just look at my post history.
If I believed for a second you actually cared how I was doing, we might discuss it. But I don't.
Bullshit. What have you ever said to me in the past that would lead me to believe you were trying to create a more positive perspective of me? I do not buy it for a second.
I'm doing it right now, I'm asking if you're doing okay. I'm actively trying atm. I'll assume you are and go about my day I suppose.
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You didn't provide any context. You've just named a federal program that has nothing to do with this law, which is about automatic subscription renewals. You certainly haven't explained why being able to click to cancel such a program is a good thing in California and a bad thing in all 49 other states.
Don't know why you're being downvoted because it's true. California signing this into law is great, I do hope this can reach the federal level though.
I'd guess they are being downvoted because they started an absolutely meaningless argument, and now keep dragging it on.
100% par for the course with that commenter too. It's an absolute waste of time engaging with them.