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After the Gulf of Tonkin fraud, why should American warships be allowed anywhere outside American waters
I mean, they don't have to be allowed in international waters, you just need to get all the planet's seafaring countries to dedicate all of their naval resources to a blockade of the US.
The cheaper option is to realize that the USN is generally pretty serious about enforcing freedom of navigation in a way essentially noone else is able to, which is a net positive for the planet. Even when you factor in some of the shady activities and plain old fuckups that they are occasionally involved in.
Frankly I'd be thrilled if China would actually act like the modern global power they clearly want to become, rather than joining Russia in some 1800s imperial LARPing vs the rest of the world.
The rest of the world is at worse neutral to at least one of the two. Oh! I see, you don't actually mean the entire world just the only countries you think matter
This is just peak
It's different when we do it cope
The planet:
Who's got the biggest system of prison slavery in world history, again?
Who's bringing back child labor?
The US ain't paradise, I am not gonna argue that. But we were talking about naval policy. We definitely don't have children serving in the navy ๐
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17yo can join military in amerikkka with parent consent
Yet!
Is the US enforcing freedom of navigation when it embargoes Cuba? Asking for a friend.
I am mostly sure the naval blockade of Cuba ended well before I was born, so there is zero freedom of navigation issue happening currently.
The embargo only applies to US companies, we aren't stopping other countries from continuing to trade witch Cuba.
I mean, it's stupid as hell, and will never work, but that's about the extent of it.
The trade embargo, not the naval blockade. The trade embargo that the UN General Assembly has called illegal multiple times. Like how ships docking into US ports can't trade with Cuba, or businesses trading with Cuba have to go through massive paperwork hoops to prove that they have zero American shareholders. Or like how Cuba has to import basic medical supplies from the other end of the world.
The embargo has been active since 1960 and has never ended, I'm not sure where you got the idea that it had stopped. And yeah, while it doesn't directly prevent anyone else from trading with Cuba, it does prohibit anyone who trades with Cuba (or even just enters a Cuban port for maintenance) from trading with the US for the next 180 days, and considering the US is such a major trading partner, that heavily disincentivizes other nations from trading with them, don't you think?
Either way it's petty as hell and absolutely still happening, it infringes on Cuba's right to self determination, and is not what I would call "generally pretty serious about enforcing freedom of navigation" by any stretch of the imagination.
Its amusing how this thread went from the legitimacy of various naval exercises and then shifted to trade policy when that didn't pan out, which is an entirely different animal, its more of an elephant than a zebra. (It ain't black and white, definitely grey.)
Trying to get me to defend the Cuba trade embargo ain't gonna happen, because it really is pointless and harmful. But I like how its conveniently ignored that the rest of the world could easily more than cover what the US refuses to send to Cuba. The US Navy wouldn't stop them from doing so, because the blockade ended decades ago.
But oddly enough, that doesn't happen. I wonder why not? Because, oh no, what would the world do without more of those sweet, sweet dollars??? Yeah, never mind the ethics, one can't forgo profits from trade with the US, so let's go fuck the Cubans right along with the Americans, and keep our citizens fat and happy with a steady supply of Levis, Big Macs, and movies. But, you know, lets continue paying lip service to how bad it is while making money hand over fist in complicity.
A truly astounding amount of hypocrisy. The US has plenty of hypocrisy to go around too, but at least I am not going to try to defend it.
love to enforce freedom of navigation by seizing Iranian/Venezuelan oil tankers, enforcing embargoes on Cuba and.the DPRK.
also love to wave around the word imperialism to describe state enemies when the us has fit that definition for the last 100 years.
The us navy engages in piracy all the time. They absolutley do not mantain treedpm of navigation.