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Boy who attacked sleeping students with hammers at school sentenced to life
(www.theguardian.com)
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So rich kid with (probably) autism attacks two other rich kids in their…. Cabins (?) while wearing only his underwear with hammers and also a teacher that came to help. He claims he was sleepwalking. Badly injures them, gets minimum 12-life for the attack.
Every part of that story is wild.
That's not for a judge to determine.
Edit: While the above statement remains true, reporting elsewhere shows:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c781p92vdyko
Sloppy journalism from The Guardian here.
What makes you think that's not the judge just reading a medical professional's opinion?
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Did the judge actually determine it, or did the judge just relay information given to them by someone else?
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If the judge said it then it would have been established fact in the case. This can be established by evidence and found as fact in the case, or it can be part of the agreed facts of the case, in which case the court doesn't waste time hearing evidence. All it takes to become agreed fact is for the defence to present it as part of their case and for the prosecution to not dispute it.
In that context the finding of fact by the court is more than enough for the paper to report on it, and the two versions presented by you of it being said by the defence and by the judge, are entirely compatible with one another. Nobody is going to demand to see the boy's medical history to verify an uncontroversial point like this. That would just be a waste of time.
The papers presented it as stated by the defence and the judge, they said nothing false or misleading, and I don't see any problem with that part of their reporting.
Now, if you have an issue that it was reported because it casts autistic people in a bad light, the issue becomes whether you think it's something the papers should leave out. Well, the defence considered it important, and it became news. Not much we can do about that after the fact.
I don't get why this is sloppy. They didn't say he diagnosed him with autism, only that he said he experiences it.
You jumped to conclusions and are trying to blame them. I certainly did not interpret it the same way you did.
The fact that it can be interpreted in multiple different ways makes it sloppy. Should be more explicit.
Yes, noone who has read anything has ever made a mistake in their interpretation.
The only authority cited in the article for this autism diagnosis is the judge. A different article stated that the defendant's attorney "told the court that [the defendant] had been diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder ..." That's far more trustworthy than the judge "saying" it.
Excluding that context is sloppy journalism.
And precisely zero that indicated the judge came to this conclusion themselves. It's doesn't make sense to assume that the judge would come to this conclusion themselves, so blaming the article for leaping to that conclusion doesn't make much sense.
Aww, bless :)
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Was the teacher also part of the underwear that the boy was wearing?