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Abolish the police
That's silly, i don't want to live in a modern society without police. I don't want to abolish the police, i want BETTER police than the ones we have now.
Do you believe the current version of policing in America can be successfully reformed? Can the current officers be sufficiently re-trained? Who is going to patrol the streets until that happens?
When people say abolish the police, they are saying that the current system has to be entirely dismantled and replaced. You actually appear to agree with the end objective.
If that's what they mean then they're terribly miscommunicating, because they're literally saying something completely different.
Not really. "Abolish the police [as they currently exist]" is just step 1.
It can. Every act of oppression, bigotry, racism, homophobia, xenophobia and misogyny comes from one particular profile of cop. Conservative. Remove conservatives from policing and those issues stop almost completely.
There are a few good cops and every single one of them is a progressive.
While we're at it would you guys like to be in control of the military, schools, and the media too?
Only if there is a problem with oppression of vulnerable groups in those places.
Conservatives can't resist oppressing vulnerable people. That's just who they are at their core.
No, I would like them to not be in control of the military, schools and the media. There's a difference.
Not everybody is seeking control, just to stop sources of problems
Police barely even do actually police work.
Yes, i know, that's why i said i want better police.
Exactly. Employ educated police, gotta be less likely to do dodgy crap because they'll have a proper understanding of the laws. Also, why is it an elected position? You'd think that's gonna make it a prime motivation for corruption, just make it a position assigned based on experience and knowledge.
Yeah we would still have that. They just wouldn't be called police anymore. I used to think it was hyperbole to say that every police agency in the US traces it's origins to slave patrols, and now I realize that it is true.
The entire notion of policing, armed people reacting to crimes, catching criminals like cat and mouse, is what is broken. It doesn't reduce crime, it makes more. It breaks families and communities. And what do we get in return? At best, we get to make a criminal feel extra bad by putting them in jail for a long long time. That model must end.
There will still be a reactionary force to call when warranted. But the force that responds when shit hits the fan and the force you call when you're in a fender bender don't need to be the same thing. Virtually every police call can be better handled by health and welfare services. Building affordable housing reduces the crime rate. Teaching people skills reduces the crime rate. That's what the police force should be aimed at. But no, we have cat and mouse.