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Russia wants a civil war. They want people scared and angry. They want people taking to the streets armed. Don't fall into this trap - the propaganda machine is going strong, even here on Lemmy.
There is always a path towards peace. I admit it may be unclear to me in the present moment but I’ll be searching for it in the coming years.
We certainly don’t need to do anything to accelerate civil conflict, inevitable or not.
I'll try to be polite and simply say this is incredibly naive and ignorant of human history.
You do that, while the Kansas National Guard is busy doorkicking for Latinos in New York.
I don’t know why you think this is naive. We might not be able to know or actualize the path the peace but that does not mean it isn’t there.
The present danger doesn’t say anything about what is the most effective way to resist or diffuse this danger. Do you think you have the strength of arms to defeat the US military? Now that I would call naive.
I think its naive to think that every single armed conflict in history could have been avoided if only certain people had the vision to "take the path of peace," whatever that means in the circumstance. Since peace requires at least two opposing parties, you can also derive it to mean "we would have peace if bad, violent people weren't bad and violent" which is simply a waste of breath and keystrokes to say.
Bad people are bad. Very rarely can we persuade them to be otherwise. Sometimes they have to be fought, because the alternative is to let them abuse and kill you.
I'll give you this, I think the only path to avoiding widespread violence in the near future is a mutual, peaceful secession of blue states. I think that is extremely unlikely given that the GOP has nearly all the cards and I believe is in no spirits to negotiate. And it basically says "fuck you, you're on your own" to vulnerable people in red states.
The most I'm willing to say on a public forum right now is that circumstances will be more complex than you're laying them out as.
... dafuq?
Project 2025 specifically mentions deputizing national guard units from red states to enforce their immigration law nationwide, specifically in blue states where the local LEOs and leadership there are likely to be less cooperative.
Ahh. I initially read that as if it had already happened. That being in P25 tracks.
Couldn't the blue states then activate their respective National Guard units to prevent this?
National Guard against National Guard isn't a solution, it's an escalation into Civil War II.
Voting trends among cops and military enlisted pretty heavily skew Trump last I checked, regardless of the state's general affiliation. Nightmare scenario is that basically every org structure either defects to red entirely or is sabotaged into operational ineffectiveness by a minority of traitors.
I would not trust anyone in uniform to be on my side as things start to slide.
Not to mention the president has the ability to active their national guard, disobeying would be a dishonorable discharge. (Loss of job/pay/health benefits/education benefits).
Depending on your state, it's illegal to be homeless now to, so loss of job is pretty scray
I don't fucking care about peace; I care about justice. If the path to justice requires going through conflict, then anybody who says that bullshit you wrote is an enemy of it.
Then you are extremely naive about the horrors and harms a civil war would entail. We should all care.
I don’t agree that justice requires going through war, nor that war is even likely to lead to justice.
The war already started.
I will not advocate for violence or recommend people take to the streets armed, because that is exactly the kind of situation Trump would exploit to run them over with a truck in an official act of assholery.
Oh sorry, you must have missed the last 10 years of ~~white supremacist terrorism~~ lone wolves
Are you actually suggesting that people physically attack others like white supremacists?
Because that would be advocating for violence.
Especially here on Lemmy.
Part of me can't help but think that a lot of these "that guy" tankies are really just MAGA honeypots trying to incite the communist Boogeyman they want to use to justify their radical agenda.
Russia doesn't have to lift a finger. We elected the king of the racist bigots, and now for four years (and more) we're going to have to constantly push back against them, because they will will think they can do whatever they want.
I get tempering your emotions, being patient, and trying to see the bigger picture. But there may come a point where it simply does not matter what our geopolitical enemies want or do not want. We've been avoiding this fight since we bungled Reconstruction, honestly.
We fucking deserve it.
As plainly laid out in The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia
Yup, the KGB struck back
Yeah, don’t stand up against the fascists! Let them rule over you!
Russia may have not conquered Ukraine, but it surely conquered the USA. We lost the cold war.
But seriously, what is the difference between being under Trump or under Putin? The former is identical to the latter and will also share with him all intelligence data. The US will be Belarus 2.