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Mildly? I'm radicalized as fuck. This is the most infuriating shit. Fucken useless ass democrats are only good at constructing elaborate and expensive footguns. They couldn't read the fucken room and hear people screaming for any change at all.
I've changed man, since then. I don't know how I feel about the Democrats, but I'm devastated over who voted Republican. So many people in this country voted for him. It wasn't just we had low turnout, but also just that he had so much. That's the disheartening thing for me, that still, with everything we know, he still carries 50% of this country easily. So yeah, we had too few, but worse, he has too many.
Right? I found pre-election solace in knowing that even though his cult will never turn on him, he couldn't have possibly gotten MORE supporters in the past 4 years.
Turns out they LOVE the hate and they want more of it.
Sorry, Mindless Americans, it's not Trump's fault anymore, it's YOURS.
That's what I've come around to. It's not him. He's a figurehead that we apply blame but it's not. It's the people - the public. They want this. They have the fear and the hate, they actively want it. If America didn't want him, they wouldn't have voted him in. Even with tampering/whatever, if America didn't, he wouldn't be there. But America does want him, and that's a very sobering and sad thought to me. I try to live with a simple code - do what you want, as long as it doesn't hurt others. I learned yesterday that most American's don't have similar values.
IMO that's way off base. People want change. They know they're getting screwed, and the grifter is promising change. He's lying and I think most people know that, but the fact that they'd take a convicted felon over what the DNC offered up is a crushing repudiation.
Bernie would've mopped the floor with Trump, because he also offers change. Someone like Obama would've too, even though there was a paucity of actual change during his terms.
We need to drag the DNC kicking and screaming off of the corporate dick it's sucking, and get it left enough to offer real change, and people will vote for it in droves.
Part of me blames the collective memory loss of the COVID years and a complete lack of understanding of cause and effect.
It's like everyone forgot there was this massive global pandemic which absolutely killed entire industries. And even though the important parts were propped up during the lean times by government support, that support ended eventually, with the economy still a mess that couldn't just be put back together like nothing happened.
I mean, people at that time didn't even have a concept of what was going on. They have no idea how much money was spent keeping the lights on. People lost their shit over the billions it would cost to forgive student loans, but had no idea how many more billions were already spent on—and abused by—businesses whose pandemic loans were forgiven by the government.
Everyone forgot the pandemic was only as bad as it was in the US because it was so completely mishandled by the Trump administration. We could have had everything back to normal a lot sooner if there was even a little bit of national preparedness, not to mention if we didn't have all the misinformation spread by his own administration.
So when the economy went to shit in 2021-2022 during the Biden administration, people shrugged their shoulders and put the blame on the old man in the white house, despite the fact that it's been on a recovery trend during this last year. And so Trump's first year is going to start with stronger markets, he'll get the credit, and then things will get worse just in time for someone else to take the blame for it.
It doesn't matter how well "the economy" recovered from Covid, when you see stuff like this:
https://inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/
Trump isn't going to fix that, but Biden already didn't, and FPTP means you get your pick of those two options.
Do you have figures that include 2024? That data seems to stop at 2021. Not saying you're wrong but the picture being painted is just Biden's first year as president during the height of the pandemic.
Comparing things like rates of inflation and the consumer price index, we see the numbers drop dramatically within the past two years, which seems to have been improving cost of living somewhat (or, ruining less quickly, at least) for the average American, though there is still a lot more to be done.
It's not really about that short of a timeframe. Here's another example:
https://apps.urban.org/features/wealth-inequality-charts/
Compare 1963 to 2022:
We're living in a new Gilded Age, people know they're getting fucked, and saying "Oh, but look at this number going up" doesn't work anymore.
How is voting for a literal past president any kind of change? America chose hate and blame this week.
Apparently people see him as the strongman lesser evil who’s gonna bring back economy, "fix" illegal immigration (both of which the current administration has done), and keep status quo on energy and abortion. I blame the Democrats for not campaigning on their successes.
They DID campaign on their successes, but nobody believed that anything had gotten better because they still couldn't afford groceries.
The food scarcity percentage (sometimes or often not being able to afford groceries) is down 1%, but yeah it might not be noticeable. I don't think Harris's campaign did anything substantial on the other economic stuff, though. In trying to campaign a message of change, it seems like they neglected their incumbent successes and failed at both.
I’ve tried talking to trumpers to point out the double standards, contradictions, and outright lies. They don’t listen, just ad hominem or whatabout out of it.
So much whatabout. Are they actually convincing themselves this way, or do they realize it's stupid but just don't have anything else to say?
Trump sexually assaulted people and was convicted of fraud.
Whatabout Hillary's emails and Hunters laptop?
First off, those people aren't running for president AND it's not fucking RAPE AND FRAUD!!!
I've tried talking and that doesn't work, I've also tried being kind and all that shit no dice. But everyone gets upset when I say let's shoot them, so please tell me more about how it's my fault.
I'll say it for you. Thomas Crooks was THIS close to being an American hero.
Republicans actively work for an uneducated population they can rule. That's the root of this problem.
The research is out, more educated people are more likely to vote Democrat, but if you ever point that out, all you get back is "I know YOU are, but what am I?"
At least 1930s Germans could say their cizenry didn't vote for Hitler. We Americans can't say the same. I'm so ashamed of snd angry at my fellow Americans.
Did we have low turnout?
Last numbers I saw is that Trump more or less got the same amount of votes as 2020 while Harris got 15 million less votes than Biden.
Don’t forget we only have about 87% reporting right now. So far turnout seems on track to be about the same as 2020.
I'm radicalized too. Wanna start a club? We could be the happy fun clan against fascism. Need a shorter name though
No, I want to join an existing massive one and change it at its very core to be something radical that we can wield. Wait a minute....
lets call it the antifascism club. antifa for short.
How about the Kool Kids Klan?
The media completely failed at their job of informing the public.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/07/us-progressive-election-trump-maga
I can't really blame the Democrats. The public is who failed. The Democrats ran a sane adult. That alone should have been enough to beat Trump.
No its not when people are in agony. To them, this is their torch. This is how fascism rises.
We made it through the Recession and COVID-19, but now people are in agony? No fucking way. They chose fascism because they are awful.
Yeah. Fascism rises further because Americans voted for it, not because of the candidate.
More important to have a Chad than anything.
Some extracts from a great comment from another user on lemmy (readfanon). I'll paste this here since some people seem to think that the Democrats did nothing wrong and it is the "left" voters who failed them :
1-You are chasing the DNC to the right and one day you will wake up and wonder to yourself "How did I end up all the way over here?" I'm not following you into that marsh but you're welcome to go into it yourself, just don't get upset at me when I point out what you're heading into and don't get angry when I refuse to blindly follow you.
2-Historically, fascism has never been stopped at the ballot box. You being convinced that this is possible does not sway my opinion on any matter aside from my estimation of your political awareness and your ability to achieve change.
3-You had four years (eight+ if you count Trump's regime and the lead-up to it in this calculation) to "stop fascism". What did you do in this period of time? Did you push Biden and Kamala to adopt policies which have mass support? Did you do anything except go to back to brunch?
4-You aren't entitled to others' votes. Stop pretending that you are.
5-We aren't splitting the so-called left, Kamala Harris did that all by herself.
6-You have no red lines. There is nothing that could make you not support Kamala Harris and we know it. Telling people to drop their standards and ignore their conscience to vote for Kamala is a fatal strategy and you killed her campaign by deploying it.
7-Almost all of your arguments for voting for Kamala Harris (aside from the "it will stop Trump" argument which, in retrospect, appears to be a dismal failure) also apply to reasons for voting for Trump. "You can push them left", "By voting we will get a seat at the table", "Voting third party or not voting at all is a wasted vote", "We have to vote this way to protect the country", "Politics is about comprise - you cannot expect them to be your perfect political candidate", and whatever hold-your-nose-and-vote arguments you trot out. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why it is that you do not find these arguments for voting Trump to be convincing?
8-Last time Trump got elected you were brutally vindictive. You took glee in the thought of people in red states and marginalised groups suffering due to policy and things like natural disasters, regardless of their politics or how they chose to vote. You were excited to tell these people that they were going to get deported and put into concentration camps. You will do it again this time too because you have learned nothing. November came and these people you targeted with your vicious schadenfreude remembered. They aren't going to forget how effortlessly you abandoned them and how you wished the worst suffering and ill-fate upon them.
None of those excuses justifies voting for a clearly insane man. You don't look at a normal person and a guy screaming about eating cats and say "that cat eating guy is the one out of the two who should have the nuclear codes". It's fucking moronic.
And half of it is either not true for me personally, based on some hefty assumptions even if applied generally, etc....
Which of the points do you feel are not correct ?
Could you elaborate on it ? Otherwise I can't really motivate and explain them.
Neither Kamala Harris nor Trump should ever have access to nuclear codes !
Let's remember K.H. literally said she wanted to start a new war with Iran and that she wanted the "most lethal army in the world".
You fell for the Dems propaganda so hard you literally can't see how both of the main runners for the elections were crazy far right candidates. There is no substantial distinction in foreign policy between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump so neither of them should have access to nukes, not voting for any of the two parties is the only logical conclusion.
The only reason why the good 3rd party candidates are not electable is because of people like you that will blindly follow the Dems on their descent into fascism. The US does not need two Republican Parties, so stop supporting and justifying the second one. Go out and start building support for an actually good party, that's the only way to save the country from fascism. Not voting for the Democrats.
Citation fucking needed.
That has been the explicit US policy of the US regardless of leadership for 80 years.
If you think Harris and Trump are equally crazy, YOU are the one who needs psychological treatment. Trump literally wanted to nuke a hurricane, pulled us out of our nuclear deal with Iran, encouraged the US to develop and test "low yield" nuclear arms, and encouraged South Korea to build their own nukes. Harris along with Biden has simply continued the standard nuclear deterrent policy the US has followed for decades in spite of the first direct nuclear threat by another country since the Cuban Missile Crisis.